Depends who comes calling but the club doing contract business early is critical. Has his faults Miller but at 23/24 his best is yet to come and if we can tie him and Williams down it would be fantastic

Well said Wakefield Wall.

I think he was becoming more of an all round half back.

Warrington saw something of him when he was top of their shopping list to replace Sandow.

Those who dont think he is creative need to give their head a shake and look at the SL stats from last year.

He was on 18, identical to Finn. Does that mean neither were creative.

I don't think he's creative and I'm not alone but apparently on this forum that makes you EITHER stupid or obnoxious.... and we are the ones who need to give our heads a shake - unbelievable - shame he's not French and a HKR cast off or you'd be calling him a legend.

Forget it, you're not allowed an alternative view where Miller is concerned...trust me I know.

Woe is me...

Im genuinely not knocking the lad but, in a time of fake news and alternative facts, real facts are important.

He would have signed a Super League contract that would have become null and void in the event of our relegation. He could have simply walked away.
I'm not saying he would have done, he could have signed another contract. Just st pointing out that there wasn't really anything for him to to lose by signing it.

Am I allowed to propose a middle way?

Miller is obviously a hb with blinding speed - of foot and thought - but he lacks the ability to read a game in the way that say, Brough or Gale do; so half of what he does either goes wrong, or comes to nothing. But - when he does try these things and they do come off - it can be spectacularly good. Such as his ridiculous Magic Weekend drop goal, or his try from Johnstone's less than brilliant kick against Salford yesterday.

On balance, I think he's definitely worth hanging on to; he has the added benefit of putting doubt in defenders due to his unpredictability, and he's a pretty solid defender for a half back to boot, so whilst far from perfect, I reckon he delivers a pretty decent RoI overall.

For who we are and what we are - he's probably a better player than we can reasonably expect to have for an extended period of time - so I'd be really happy if we could tie him up for a few seasons.

its taken 5 pages but zing! we have it
alongside a controlling HB I think its a good recipe going forward

That's not the middle way, that's spot on and it's all I've ever suggested.

Truth is if he did have that vision and ability to read a game with his others skills he'd not just be the target of other SL clubs he'd be in the NRL in fact he'd probably never have left it - ho hum.

However can someone please coach that useless short pass out of his game before Ashurst gets hospitalised - even young Batchelor copped one yesterday - if that went I think I'd be more than happy.

Miller, Tupou, and Johnstone don't seem to be working very well together at the moment. Johnstone is having to come inside a lot to try and get his hands on the ball, none of them seem to be able to read what the other ones are doing. Hopefully they manage to iron out these problems as they don't look anywhere near as threatening as they could be if they click

Agreed - it must be soul destroying taking one of those in the full and certain knowledge that you're about to get smashed to bits.

And for what it's worth - I agree with your original argument that he's much more effective on a dry track.

Absolutely.

We were always coached that unless you could see the gap you thought he would run through or, the guy was on an opposing diagonal run, you don't throw the pass. You set yourself and you go into the collision.

That's how you end up with an injury crisis.

See Vastman dishing it out again, he's back on form

Whatever,

But you were wrong as there are clearly others who see an issue without having to shake their heads - or is that not 'dishing it out'?