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| As I said before, we might get a better idea when squad numbers come out, any news when they are out? I guess we won't until squad is finalised
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| Quote: Raggytash "Hall is a centre! No chance can Miller play anywhere other than the halves, he has promise in attack, but is woeful in defence.'"
As I said too small to do all the defensive graft expected of a regular 13 and wouldn't take the ball up. He is 6ft but only 13 stone. Kevin Sinfield is 5 ft 11 and 14 stone 11 lb. Kevin Brown 6ft and 14 stone 2 lb.
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| Quote: ball-in-hand "I still think Tim is planning to return to Australia after this year hence the one year deal for him and JW is looking at Miller as a long term replacement. We have been able to get him for peanuts this year due to FCs generous pay off so we can afford an understudy. After his indifferent performance at Hull no club would give him a long term deal unless he proves himself and we couldn't afford to give one. No point in speculating where he will play but I won't be surprised to see him wearing the number 7 shirt in 2016 on a 3 year deal.'"
You may well be right but like Miller,Riley,Peua,Kirke, and anybody else on a one year contract they would probably re-sign given that we are still in SL come the end of the new season, which could well have been the main reason they only committed for the coming season.
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| Quote: djcool "As I said before, we might get a better idea when squad numbers come out, any news when they are out? I guess we won't until squad is finalised'"
On Wednesday night Webbo said he wasn't a fan of squad numbers and they would not reflect his thinking as to team make-up So watch out for Scruton in the 1 shirt
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| Imo this the best squad we have had for a number of years that said I still belive we need another centre
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| Choose what ever one things for sure Webster could see the weakness in the side and has added some size and grunt to the pack and it could well be he is looking forward on the Miller signing if Smith does go back to Oz after this year.Im looking forward to the start of the season and one things for sure we wont get over run in the pack my only concern would be Sammut at FB I like him and he would be devastating in attack but one on one with a big forward and they would just run over him but lets see what happens.We have plenty of options as regards Kicker Sammut can do it for fun but should he be injured or not selected then Hall can slot them over as well as McShane.One things for sure Im convinced this squad can cause a fair few upsets and BV will be a happy place to be.If the side get off to a flying start then some of the doubters should start to come back through the gates.
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| According to YEP Hull will be funding 'large sum' of Miller's wage because of the 'pay off' deal.
So seems we have made a shrewd signing in that we do not have much to lose and much to gain if he is a success.
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| Quote: les-goose "Choose what ever one things for sure Webster could see the weakness in the side and has added some size and grunt to the pack and it could well be he is looking forward on the Miller signing if Smith does go back to Oz after this year.Im looking forward to the start of the season and one things for sure we wont get over run in the pack my only concern would be Sammut at FB I like him and he would be devastating in attack but one on one with a big forward and they would just run over him but lets see what happens.We have plenty of options as regards Kicker Sammut can do it for fun but should he be injured or not selected then Hall can slot them over as well as McShane.One things for sure Im convinced this squad can cause a fair few upsets and BV will be a happy place to be.If the side get off to a flying start then some of the doubters should start to come back through the gates.'"
I tend to agree with a lot of what you say regarding Sammutt, but do full backs have to make many tackles, I seem to think I saw a stat a few years since suggesting they only made something like 3 tackles per game, I'd be more worried about him under the high balls myself.
Anyone out there that knows such stats, Please feel free to disprove my tackle numbers theory.
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| Quote: JINJER "I tend to agree with a lot of what you say regarding Sammutt, but do full backs have to make many tackles, I seem to think I saw a stat a few years since suggesting they only made something like 3 tackles per game, I'd be more worried about him under the high balls myself.
Anyone out there that knows such stats, Please feel free to disprove my tackle numbers theory.'"
Put it this way, if the pack performs on grass as well as it appears to on paper then no he won't. Webb at Leeds is a classic example, not a great tackler and never needed to be because he was protected. My issue with Sammut at FB was never his defence but his attack which I felt was laboured for such a quick player. Hopefully you can put that down to him learning the position and this year being better placed to exploit any space. Let's be honest that was Mathers great skill, reading the game in attack, his defence was often poor but his support play and finishing were very good.
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| Quote: milopolly "According to YEP Hull will be funding 'large sum' of Miller's wage because of the 'pay off' deal.
So seems we have made a shrewd signing in that we do not have much to lose and much to gain if he is a success.'"
I think thats what we do best. I always think it's a wise move to hold some of your spending capital back to the end of the traditional requirement season. Bargain buys like these always seem to come along.
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| Quote: vastman "Put it this way, if the pack performs on grass as well as it appears to on paper then no he won't. Webb at Leeds is a classic example, not a great tackler and never needed to be because he was protected. My issue with Sammut at FB was never his defence but his attack which I felt was laboured for such a quick player. [sizeHopefully you can put that down to him learning the position[/size and this year being better placed to exploit any space. Let's be honest that was Mathers great skill, reading the game in attack, his defence was often poor but his support play and finishing were very good.'"
If you mean learning Wakey system maybe, but he played 19 of his 38 games in NRL as starting FB, so not exactly new to the position
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| Quote: 1873 "If you mean learning Wakey system maybe, but he played 19 of his 38 games in NRL as starting FB, so not exactly new to the position'"
That's what I meant, he was part of what seemed a poorly organised team during his spell at FB - hopefully all that is being rectified in our first proper close season for some time.
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| Also….
"Owen played mainly at full back for the Tigers in 2009 where he showed some excellent form" Wiki
Why are people panicking anyway, Owen is an experienced FB so maybe he will get the nod…
Also reckon Tom Johnstone is ready for limited first team also which gives us cover at wing.
There is plenty of versatility in this team.
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| Quote: asmadasa "Too small and wouldn't be able to do all the defensive graft required or take the ball up.
Big Daniel Smith being given a run at 13 at the back of an already big pack would great as he has also got a good off load game in addition to being quite mobile.
Can see the first choice 17 now as....
1. Sammut.
2. Owen
3. Collis
4. Lynne
5. Riley
6. Hall
7. Tim Smith
8. Anderson
9. McShane
10.Scruton
11.Kirmond
12. Ryan
13. Daniel Smith
14. Lauitiiti
15. Paea
16. Kirke
17. Godinet'"
My thoughts exactly. Big fast and mobile, has footwork and and a great offload, Dan Smith at LF for me, he played there a couple of times last year and he really impressed me
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| Webster should be able to spot a good halfback, wasn't he one himself?
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