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| Exactly pop tart . It aint over yet
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| If we keep looking over our shoulder we will lose focus on our objective which is to win games. We cant do anything about Bradford and if they see any chance they will grab it
We need to make sure we are out of their grasp but there is still plenty of rugby to be played yet until (as JK used to say) "we can put the cue back on the rack"
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "I think that any good, strong coach could do well at Bradford. A squad that includes Gale, Gaskill, Olberson, Carney, Purtill, Manufakoso ( sp ), Addy, Kear, Foster, Diskin, etc etc should, and I fear, will improve. I suspect they will win a few games, the nightmare is that on the last day of the season Bradford will need to go to London and win and we will need to go to Cas and win in order to stay up.'"
We don't play Cas on the last day of the season, we have Hull KR at home.
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| We need to focus on ourselves and make sure we are fit and focussed for some targeted games. We are unlikely to get anything from the Wigan game on sunday despite it being a good time to play them but the week after is Hull at home and we need to be going all guns blazing for that. Likewise Leeds the following week is an unlikely win but Widnes at home afterwards is crucial and we need to manage our players correctly so we are ready when it matters. Beat Hull & Widnes and we are safe no matter who the Bulls have in charge.
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| If we are truly a Super League side we should go out to try and win each game as it comes, otherwise what's the point in turning up to games that we have no intention of winning?
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "I think that any good, strong coach could do well at Bradford. A squad that includes Gale, Gaskill, Olberson, Carney, Purtill, Manufakoso ( sp ), Addy, Kear, Foster, Diskin, etc etc should, and I fear, will improve. I suspect they will win a few games, the nightmare is that on the last day of the season Bradford will need to go to London and win and we will need to go to Cas and win in order to stay up.'"
Think we play Hull KR at home last match Belly, Cas is the week before that. I agree that they have some decent players but do they have enough about them to claw back 8 points? They will have to win almost half their games left to get above us and that's providing we lose nearly all ours. We've won 5 in the first half of the season not playing well, surely we can expect at least another 3 or 4 wins in our run in with a new coach at the helm.
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| Quote: Willzay "If we are truly a Super League side we should go out to try and win each game as it comes, otherwise what's the point in turning up to games that we have no intention of winning?'"
It's not a case of not having any intention of winning, we should be putting 100% into every game. But you also have to be realistic based on the squad we have and the opposition we are playing against. If everyone is fit and raring to go great let them rip in. But for example if a key player is carrying a knock after last week then he should be managed correctly and rested for the Wigan game to ensure he is ready for the week after when the chances of getting a win are that much higher. We are probably a couple of wins from safety and the sooner we get them the sooner planning for next season can start in earnest to enable us to push on next year. We have to give ourselves the best chance of doing that with the limited resources we have available.
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| According to Twitter, James Lowes wants the job.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "According to Twitter, James Lowes wants the job.'"
Also Paul Medley and Scott Naylor.
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| I can see the attraction for a young coach wanting to make a name. What if they nearly pull it off? Will get them a job next year. Which gives Marc Green more bargaining power, as the new coaches want the Bulls more than the Bulls want them. Unless Noble does it for nothing, they need him more than he needs them.
It's a tough ask. All we need to do is win the games we should win, and maybe pick up the odd surprise. If Webster carries on where Agar left off, it is very doable for the Bulls.
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "I think that any good, strong coach could do well at Bradford. A squad that includes Gale, Gaskill, Olberson, Carney, Purtill, Manufakoso ( sp ), Addy, Kear, Foster, Diskin, etc etc should, and I fear, will improve. I suspect they will win a few games, the nightmare is that on the last day of the season Bradford will need to go to London and win and we will need to go to Cas and win in order to stay up.'"
Even for you this is contorted logic.
You said and I quote (roughly) "Cummins is an exceptional young coach". You said the about two weeks ago!!!
So who is this super coach then who can do better and win Bradford 4 games minimum. Not saying it's impossible hell we did it but it's not the certainty you seem to suggest.
As for the Bradford players listed if we had signed them I guarantee you'd be telling us how crap they all are whilst those lads at Bradford like Collis, Anderson, Ryan and Godinet (any Wakey player) are brilliant - that's how contrary you have become. Both Bradford and Wakefield are equally poor, stop trying to big Bradford up to make whatever point you're trying to make. Come on belly I know you can do better with your sparkling Eton repartee .
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| Quote: Theboyem "It's not a case of not having any intention of winning, we should be putting 100% into every game. But you also have to be realistic based on the squad we have and the opposition we are playing against. If everyone is fit and raring to go great let them rip in. But for example if a key player is carrying a knock after last week then he should be managed correctly and rested for the Wigan game to ensure he is ready for the week after when the chances of getting a win are that much higher. We are probably a couple of wins from safety and the sooner we get them the sooner planning for next season can start in earnest to enable us to push on next year. We have to give ourselves the best chance of doing that with the limited resources we have available.'"
Absolutely.
It's far too simplistic to say, "we should try to win every game!" That's armchair coaching taken to extremes.
Modern RL is about squad management and ensuring that you optimise your efforts in those areas that are most likely to yield the best results; taking into account player fatigue, injuries, strengths and weaknesses relative to those of the opposition, effect on final league placings etc etc ad infinitum. There are a huge amount of variables and no amount of internet pontificating will simplify that process - that's why so few of us are SL coaches.
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| I said Cummins is an very impressive young man, I was refering to the way he has conducted himself whist at Bradford. He has never moaned and just got on with it. I could not comment on his coaching ability. I also would be happy to swap sick note Collis for any Bradford player, and I am concerned that Godinet may not be up to speed, though I suspect he has been poorly managed by Agar, his display against London made Seiker look good. Bradford and Wakefield are not equally poor. Bradford have proven that they are considerably better than us. I believe that Bradford, for whatever reason, have underperformed, their squad on paper is a very good side. We on the other hand have not underperformed, we had a poor coach and a poor squad. I think that our club have done the best job possible within their budget, I think that Smith will improve us and that Webster can`t do any worse that Agar. The combined weakness of mind and lack of leadership displayed by our palyers in the first half against London was staggering, the good news was that Webster got them to improve for the second half. I also thought that our defence looked better organised which is encouraging. Lets hope we can show improvement against Wigan.
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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "I said Cummins is an very impressive young man, I was refering to the way he has conducted himself whist at Bradford. He has never moaned and just got on with it. I could not comment on his coaching ability. I also would be happy to swap sick note Collis for any Bradford player, and I am concerned that Godinet may not be up to speed, though I suspect he has been poorly managed by Agar, his display against London made Seiker look good. Bradford and Wakefield are not equally poor. Bradford have proven that they are considerably better than us. I believe that Bradford, for whatever reason, have underperformed, their squad on paper is a very good side. We on the other hand have not underperformed, we had a poor coach and a poor squad. I think that our club have done the best job possible within their budget, I think that Smith will improve us and that Webster can`t do any worse that Agar. The combined weakness of mind and lack of leadership displayed by our palyers in the first half against London was staggering, the good news was that Webster got them to improve for the second half. I also thought that our defence looked better organised which is encouraging. Lets hope we can show improvement against Wigan.'"
I;ve never known you ever think we have a good squad, that's your opinion. But to state the current Bradford squad is better than ours is IMHO wrong. They are roughly the same and I reckon you know that deep down.
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| It was interesting on RL Fulltime last night that John Kear did not deny that he could be in line for the Bulls job. It would be ironic if he was leading the fight for them to avoid relegation at our expense.
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