Sorry I didn't make myself clear, I meant in today's game there isn't a 6 who could lace his boots. With the stand off or centre argument I have to disagree with you.

Not sure what they base their predictions on.
It could be based on a dislike of our club and more of ahope.

in the UK game sure - there are quite a few in the world game "fit to lace his boots" though.

sorry I digress - Millward is a dinosaur anyway.
I think its going to be really tight this year and difficult to predict.

It's all based on their like/dislike of a club, it's a worthless subjective opinion and the easiest option to take. If you look at it fairly objectively; we've signed more proven quality players than those who finished below us (and Widnes), we've a more stable and improved coaching setup than last year, we've won 4 out of 5 preseason friendlies, and we finished last season in 8th place having also made a CC semi final.

Again shows what a good season the SL 2017 is going to be. Just look how varied the predictions are from industry specialists, some have us as high as 6th some have us 12th, some have Hull 2nd others have them as low as 6th , several have Saints outside the top 4 some have them second. The only consistent predictions I can see from the expert pundits is that Warrington will finish in 1st or 2nd and Cas will finish in top 4.

Ah that's fair enough. None of the England standoffs since his day have been good enough.
Which is why we kept playing loose forwards there.

Much preferred Schoey in the Centres, than at Stand Off. I actually think Danny McGuire in his prime was very similar to Schoey, though not as good.

Not sure about ones since not been good enough. Love him or loathe thim, I would have liked to have seen Tompkins play at stand off more frequently, rather than at full back.

Toppo faster than Schofield, unreal, what game have you watched, Toppo was a class player, but speed ??? Schoey was in a different class at every aspect of rugby league to Toppo IMHO and also far quicker. Toppo couldnt score a full length Try, Gary scored loads. I think you should look at his stats and how many Try's he scored especially in the NRL where he was unstoppable.

Got to agree there, that's the only thing that let him down his inability to go the full length after the initial break.
Not doubting Schofield's speed which imo made him a better centre than stand off, wonder what Millwards thoughts on the matter would be.

Rubbish. Schofield may have scored many tries but Toppo created many more for others.
We're talking about the Stand Off role here, which isn't just about scoring individual tries it's more than that. Schofield would never have created the try that got WT to Wembley in '79 - just an illustration of the artistry of Toppo in the SO role.

You'd best not prove him wrong then. Unless you want him wobbling about your pitch starkers again.

To Be fair to C65, the quote he responds to states that Schoffield couldn't live with Topliss for agility and speed and I'm afraid to say that I think Schoffield was far faster than Topliss and at least as agile.

As a creative stand off Schoffield crowbarred open the Australian international teams defences to both score and create try's for himself and others so stating that he couldn't have unlocked the Sts defence in 1979 is far fetched.

Schoey v Toppo? Seen them both in the same Hull side, both magical players, my fondest memory of Topliss is his masterclass in the Elland Road replay of the CC Final v Widnes 1982. Both were greats, both had speed, although Schofield slowed down a lot during his mid twenties, both had vision and flair. Hard to choose a winner, really , but from what I saw of them both, for me as a true no6 Toppo just edges Schofield, who was also a brilliant centre. Like comparing Messi and Ronaldo, both brilliant, depends on your own perspective.

At the end of the day Avenger we all have our opinions and that's all they are. I would have been happy to have had both of them in my team but Toppo would have been at No6! I'll leave it at that!