Ever since the days of Lesley Vainikolo, there has been an obsession for musclebound wingers and it's something that has been a detriment to the game in my opinion. The days when a winger was basically a sprinter are long gone. Now it's more a case of beefing up and bashing through. You don't see as many 'classic' full lengthers from wingers these days.

When we first had Peter Fox he was a wiry winger with an athletic physique and plenty of pace. In his second spell with us he had the upper body of a second rower and had lost a lot of his athleticism, he could however run the ball in like a forward.

We look to have a nice mix of both in Tom Johnstone, let's hope that doesn't get spoiled. He looks to have a good physique (upper body strength) combined with natural pace. I'd settle for him retaining that sort of physique and just work on developing his game sense (not that I'm saying he doesn't already have that as well) and experience.

I know I shouldn't but....

what the hell has Molloy done wrong?

Small wage but a versatile player, did a good tackling stint on sunday. Ditto Trout but the clock is ticking for him a bit more than Molloy.

Man what is wrong with you!

If everyone stopped replying to him he mite sod off.
Back on topic, with the majority of wingers its score one let one in, better ones eg Charnley, score 2 or 3 let 1 in, Owens not too different in that sense, lets see what he's been like by mid March (if indeed he gets a start)

You bring it on yourselfs you mention Mariano im saying what we have in return. Trout and Molloy. What has Molloy done right??? Waste of time compared to Frankie.

Seem to remember Molloy having a couple of good games last season. I don't think anybody expects him to be first choice but if he's prepared to stick around and give his all for the club, why not have him on the books. I wouldn't imagine he's on top dollar and he adds strength in depth.

Oh no what have you done Vasty. You poked him with a stick.

Let's stick to Owen on this one.
I find the Mariano conversations quite funny but it's not what we agree to talk about on the thread so we shouldn't really derail it.

Lets stick to Owen I agree. The biggest thing that annoys me about Owen is that his attitude stinks. 2 occassions last year Tim Smith told him off for not chasing his kicks this was infront of me Owens response was to shrug his shoulders. I swear on my mums life this happened. This is a Guy that would have been in Championship if Cas let his contract expire. We gave him a chance apart from 2 games his attitude stunk last year the Huddersfield and Hull KR game stick out most the guy couldn't even be bothad to catch the ball in the warm up. You tell me why he deserves a 3 year deal. Riley by all means top winger and a 100% tryer. Crazy by the club; Owen is a very very lucky boy, he needs to give his head a shake does he want to play rugby or not.

I think we all agree that his outward attitude and body language are horizontal at times but leave it to Tim Smith and the rest of his 'teammates' to give him the roastings.
Think he may take more notice of these.
Then he has two options, he either gets his finger out or slinks away and sulks.
3 years is a big contract but probably worth one of Vince Mellors?
It's a gamble but one that I'm prepared to see how it goes through the season.

Perhaps at the time he did not know who you were maybe you should have a word with him

The Owen 3 year deal thing seems to have wound everybody up but lets be honest, they haven't done it because they are rewarding him in some way, so the "deserves" bit isn't really the point.
The club and Webster in particular must think that over a 3 year period, we will get our money's worth out of him.
That is because
They know how much they are paying, and we don't
They know what plans they have for him, and we don't
They have had one to one conversations with him, and we don't

I don't like his style at all, and he winds me up. But I also think he has a lot of trys in him and if we can make it work it will be a big advantage to Wakefield Trinity.
We'll just have to wait and see. The deal is done so no point moaning about it now, and certainly no value in booing one of our own.

They are PT. He has turned down a very good job as a gamekeeper (which is on hold I believe) to prolong his playing career. He was ready to pack in RL 12 months ago.