absolutely not.... I am always persuadable to other stratagems, ideologies.. and opinions founded on reality... I am, however, a little intolerant of emotional outbursts (something I was totally guilty of in my younger years).. and personal agendas.

Forums are based on debate and open discussion, about things that are important to the group. But there are aspects of this general debate which, whilst they have some truth, are moot or offer nothing other than criticism and/or vitriol; victory was never won by those seeking revenge.

Thats a little aspirational - maybe in an ideal world.

Emotions do play a massive part in sports , and by extension the fans, and hence the odd outburst in here.

And victory is indeed obtained by those seeking revenge. You live down there. You’ve seen State of Origin, right?

Well said Spooki. Hope you are well.

We all have our ideas as to how we are where we are, but I haven't seen anyone come up with an answer to the problem yet, other than sack him or he has to go.
Is that alone going to get us out of this mess, we have no money to speak off, so what's the answer?????

Well as re. changing the coach, we'll never know if that improves the players' performances with a new one, until it happens will we?! The performances mainly have been very similar, despite using most of the squad, and bringing in loan players, so what does that tell us? The coach can't seem to rectify the problems, or the majority of the squad aren't up to it consistently, too many past their best, not enough quality in the key positions? Therefore it would take a very good, experienced coach to turn this around without significant recruitment, which takes money for starters......so we pretty much are knackered whichever way you look at things!!

So i'm not sure there is an answer that's viable and attainable.

Quote Wildmoggy="Wildmoggy"Well as re. changing the coach, we'll never know if that improves the players' performances with a new one, until it happens will we?! The performances mainly have been very similar, despite using most of the squad, and bringing in loan players, so what does that tell us? The coach can't seem to rectify the problems, or the majority of the squad aren't up to it consistently, too many past their best, not enough quality in the key positions? Therefore it would take a very good, experienced coach to turn this around without significant recruitment, which takes money for starters......so we pretty much are knackered whichever way you look at things!! So i'm not sure there is an answer that's viable and attainable.'" This sums it up for me. Interesting article in the media today from Francis Cummins saying players were being shown the door with no plans for recruitment at the end of last season….. “It just appears that Willie had been making decisions about players he wanted and nothing happened and players he was letting go he didn’t get to replace them. “It just went on too long and the writing was on the wall that they weren’t going to spend the money that they saved.” https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1177215511?-4 ... atest_news

Quote Wildmoggy="Wildmoggy"Well as re. changing the coach, we'll never know if that improves the players' performances with a new one, until it happens will we?! The performances mainly have been very similar, despite using most of the squad, and bringing in loan players, so what does that tell us? The coach can't seem to rectify the problems, or the majority of the squad aren't up to it consistently, too many past their best, not enough quality in the key positions? Therefore it would take a very good, experienced coach to turn this around without significant recruitment, which takes money for starters......so we pretty much are knackered whichever way you look at things!! So i'm not sure there is an answer that's viable and attainable.'" This sums it up for me. Interesting article in the media today from Francis Cummins saying players were being shown the door with no plans for recruitment at the end of last season….. “It just appears that Willie had been making decisions about players he wanted and nothing happened and players he was letting go he didn’t get to replace them. “It just went on too long and the writing was on the wall that they weren’t going to spend the money that they saved.” https://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1177215511?-4 ... atest_news

Pretty much. It’s just getting the best and trying to make the best of what we have with small additions. That may take a bit of time and may or may not work.

But that’s not our job is it?

So we have no money, just how much money don't we have. Carter's done a marvellous job on brainwashing the supporters and getting them to constantly spill the same skint message.
So I ask again just how much money don't we have. If you remember our recruitment was going to take shape because it was a world Cup and plenty of quality players would be available.

He's not brainwashed everyone, and certainly not me.

Don't disagree with any of that, I just wondered what everyone else thought.
Personally don't see a way out.

There’s not a successful sporting team in this world who doesn’t have a wealthy financial backer. For me, MC has cut his cloth accordingly to create financial stability for us, for that he’ll always have my respect, without him we would not be here. Unfortunately, he’s unwilling to plow anymore money into the club, and tbh I can’t blame him. After finding out how much Ken Davy had ploughed into Huddersfield with mediocre success it just shows success isn’t always guaranteed.

Newly promoted Leigh and us are the only teams in SL now that have never been in a major final in the last 25 years. With us more than likely going down this year, without a wealthy financial backer I can see that statistic going on for a further 25 years sadly. We all have ideas of how this should be sorted out, but without the financial clout we don’t stand a chance. The days of playing money ball with players like Paul Aiton, Timmy Smith, David Fifita etc from Aus are no more with the size of the Cap over there and poorer exchange rate. Sadly our recruitment and retention over the last 2 years has been atrocious, resulting in where we are now. I believe the board have had the best intentions, I mean why wouldn’t they, it’s not Ted Lasso, but it has fallen short of where we need to be and sadly the book stops with them. It would be really good to have a fan forum to see what therir plans are when we do go down, will we still be full time and what do we need in terms of crowds etc for this to be achieved.

Most fans I hope will still be there next year supporting us, but the club more than ever needs to communicate with the fans, because there simply wouldn’t be a club without our support, it’s a 2 way thing.