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| I’m not disappointed in Yusuf or the club… but I am disappointed with the system that allows a club(with fan sponsorship) to develop a first team quality player through their formative years… then gave them taken with no recompense to that development..
We used to pick up Leeds and Wigan cast offs… but this is different as these players are first grade calibre and are first grade calibre because of the investment their club has put into them
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| Quote: upthecats "Had a bit of time away from the forum recently but can’t believe vastman has now become the voice of reason on here!
Yes, I’d have liked to have kept Aydin as he’s come through the system and he’s improving all the time but let’s not kid ourselves that it’s a major loss!
Who was it again who switched off for their try last night?
Not wanting to knock the lad but if he wants to take a better offer elsewhere then so be it….it’s not as if we didn’t offer him a deal…
Would much prefer to give bigger improved contracts to Hall and Murphy who are miles ahead and much more worthy of improved offers than Aydin is.'"
No, Corey Hall got caught ball watching at A defender and was too passive off his line meaning he didn’t get out and meet Vete. Aydin came in from B defender and put a decent shot on but the damage came from Hall staying on the try line and not meeting Vete a couple of metres off it
Quote: upthecats "Yes and also left a gap the size of a bus for Warrington at home for a forward to steam through untouched I recall. He certainly has a lot to work on.'"
I’ve just rewatched that twice and this didn’t happen, well certainly not in the build up to us conceding a try at least. If you’re alluding to a missed tackle in general play then maybe it did but that would be picky beyond the extreme
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| Looking at the Wigan v saints game last night and their youngsters ripping into each other with gusto ,the lad has a long way to develop into anything like that sort of quality from what I’ve seen of him ,with those players being imo the benchmark in our game at present, but Something for him to aim for I’m sure , and if he feels that he will achieve that at another club that’s purely his and his agents choice, and as a club we thank him for his efforts and move on without him .
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| I can only think the club see better prospects coming through the next round of youngsters , but there will a time lag in development of these kids. That's why to me Batch is the biggest loss, not far off the finished item and someone who should have been a stalwart and future captain.
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| I get it when people are upset about losing young players brought along by the club, but why does the club get the blame when they leave?
To me IF they are that good the club will surely offer them a contract they consider appropriate and that we can afford.
I reckon if the heart of these players was at the club they take up the offer and stay - unless it's a big star such as TJ who must have been offered bucks we can only dream of to go to France.
Aydin, and Batchelor are not in that status to me, and if they don't want to stay at Wakefield then off they go.
We have to accept that some kids don't give a monkey about Trinity, so as a Trinity fan through and through why should I care if they go? I look forward to seeing some positive team building though to replace them.
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| Quote: 1315trinity "I get it when people are upset about losing young players brought along by the club, but why does the club get the blame when they leave?
To me IF they are that good the club will surely offer them a contract they consider appropriate and that we can afford.
I reckon if the heart of these players was at the club they take up the offer and stay - unless it's a big star such as TJ who must have been offered bucks we can only dream of to go to France.
Aydin, and Batchelor are not in that status to me, and if they don't want to stay at Wakefield then off they go.
We have to accept that some kids don't give a monkey about Trinity, so as a Trinity fan through and through why should I care if they go? I look forward to seeing some positive team building though to replace them.'"
Both use the same agent by all accounts ,so nice little earner for him/her ,and let’s hope he/she had their best interest at heart , time will tell on that one I’m sure
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| Quote: 1315trinity "I get it when people are upset about losing young players brought along by the club, but why does the club get the blame when they leave?
To me IF they are that good the club will surely offer them a contract they consider appropriate and that we can afford.
I reckon if the heart of these players was at the club they take up the offer and stay - unless it's a big star such as TJ who must have been offered bucks we can only dream of to go to France.
Aydin, and Batchelor are not in that status to me, and if they don't want to stay at Wakefield then off they go.
We have to accept that some kids don't give a monkey about Trinity, so as a Trinity fan through and through why should I care if they go? I look forward to seeing some positive team building though to replace them.'"
But they are young 20 somethings who have spent 4 to 7 working age years earning next to nothing to chase their goal of becoming a regular 1st teamer at SL level. When they achieve that or are very close and reach the pivotal point of a new contract they expect to begin the realisation of decent wages. Unfortunately there is a pervading attitude that home grown talent don’t get the deserved wages that players ‘signed in’ from other clubs get so they become easy targets for other clubs offering a decent contract. These are young blokes who want to start an adult life, get married, buy a house, have kids etc, you can’t expect them to put their life on hold any longer because they’re home grown.
I know some very good young blokes who’ve turned down apprenticeships and jobs paying £25k and one at £35k+ in order to accept £9k and play in the Academy or be a fringe First Team squad player. They then develop and make the first team on a regular basis only to be offered far less than that position deserves, It happens all the time
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| Quote: The Avenger "No, Corey Hall got caught ball watching at A defender and was too passive off his line meaning he didn’t get out and meet Vete. Aydin came in from B defender and put a decent shot on but the damage came from Hall staying on the try line and not meeting Vete a couple of metres off it
I’ve just rewatched that twice and this didn’t happen, well certainly not in the build up to us conceding a try at least. If you’re alluding to a missed tackle in general play then maybe it did but that would be picky beyond the extreme'"
Can’t tell from the camera angle on the Sky Sports highlights but felt watching live at the game that Aydin was slow to react and Vete was his man and wasn’t quick enough or strong enough to stop him one on one
Agree Hall could have done better but the way the defensive and attacking lines were set Minichella was his man and had he scored I’d have blamed Hall…
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| Quote: upthecats "Can’t tell from the camera angle on the Sky Sports highlights but felt watching live at the game that Aydin was slow to react and Vete was his man and wasn’t quick enough or strong enough to stop him one on one
Agree Hall could have done better but the way the defensive and attacking lines were set Minichella was his man and had he scored I’d have blamed Hall…'"
It’s the other way around,
Looking at the attacking shape, Vete is running the unders line and Minichella is wrapping around the back making him Aydin man
Crowther is at Marker and his main job is to kill the scoot from the hooker and to map out only when the ball has left the hookers hands. Hall is too busy focusing on the hooker and even turns his hips in giving him no chance of meeting Vete.
In fairness to Aydin he spots the ball is going to Vete very early and comes in to attempt to stop him, had the ball gone behind Vete to Minichella then Aydin would have been at fault
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| Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON "We've been told for nearly 3 years there are no props, so good luck to the club with that one'"
This
Which is one of the main reasons I’m disappointed we’ve not kept him
Young British props are very few and very far between
Like you say mopsy
Good luck in us finding 2 quality props
Side note I’m delighted with the signing of Bowden
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| Seasoned pro's make mistakes, all humans if life do. Why an error or a defensive misread is now being used to justify the loss of a player with decent potential I don't know.
As it is it maybe HKR offered more and also, more importantly at this age, gave him assurances of opportunities to play, something that Aydin has only really got since he probably made his mind up to go.
The club, and the player, will move on, its just frustrating to spend time on a kid only to see that effort for nought.
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| New to board. Very disappointed by the loss of aydin and Batch who are both waki lads but it happens and I would like to think the club has a plan and the younger guys such as Eseh can fill the gap left behind in the not too distant future. Just out of curiosity would most people be ok with losing Batch and Aydin if say Murphy and Hall can get long term extensions and the thought of Eseh / Shaw getting more game time
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| Quote: WakiWaki "New to board. Very disappointed by the loss of aydin and Batch who are both waki lads but it happens and I would like to think the club has a plan and the younger guys such as Eseh can fill the gap left behind in the not too distant future. Just out of curiosity would most people be ok with losing Batch and Aydin if say Murphy and Hall can get long term extensions and the thought of Eseh / Shaw getting more game time'"
Yep. That's exactly what I'd hope for.
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| Well let’s be true here that KR are a poorer team than we sre. Haven’t they finished below us in 5/6 last seasons. They’re pretty much a more struggling team than we are. Not really ambitious but must be the money talking.
They have a good one with Batch though.
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| Quote: WakiWaki "New to board. Very disappointed by the loss of aydin and Batch who are both waki lads but it happens and I would like to think the club has a plan and the younger guys such as Eseh can fill the gap left behind in the not too distant future. Just out of curiosity would most people be ok with losing Batch and Aydin if say Murphy and Hall can get long term extensions and the thought of Eseh / Shaw getting more game time'"
That is exactly how it is!
It's a fine line balancing the budget...I liken it to selecting a dream team at either football or rugby...you start with a big pot....pick some quality players then before you know it you've hardly got any of your money left and still have about 4-5 players to fit in so have to go back and lower your sights a little...
Aydin is an improving player but he's well down the pecking order and the people who control the budget can only assign so much to each player...Hall and Murphy should be the two big priorities to tie down to longer contracts as they are both players you can see attracting plenty of interest from many clubs in the coming seasons...if keeping those two with much improved terms means having to let Aydin go then I can live with that decision. I'm also not that sure he'll get more first team opportunities there than if he'd have stayed...we'll have to wait and see...
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