I'd rather refs penalise a spear tackle , especially that players 1 st tackle of the year , hardly claim he was tired Or even just his technique , he placed his hands between the legs , outlawed years ago , it was deliberate and not what could be defined as ' niggle ' that came when he dropped down on Gareth with his forearm

Let's assume Hock had done that tackle , what would have been everybody's opinion ?

happy to discuss several other seemingly deliberate actions by Cas , we need to learn what is allowed in SL , very different to the Championship

The best way to stop players from cheating is to avoid standing in a line of opposition players and make an effort to get back, and make an effort to roll away when on the floor.

To get caught out three times within 15 minutes in today's game was a real bummer.

still better in attack than us - we had finn at hooker !!!! what the

I was no fan of us signing Gareth , but last season he was constantly targeted and was actually binned a couple of times for being fouled against , he has cleaned up to a large degree and knows anything major wont be tolerated

Bottom line is Mc Shane should have been binned , nothing accidental about his tackle , hands between the legs and lifted

And yes deliberately throwing the ball at an offside player isn't what we want to see , however there are much more other important issues that need addressing in the game than that

But that's the point, if Hock hadn't reacted like he did to Macca's tackle I think he would have been binned. Instead he threw a punch up at McShane while laid on his back and it all kicked off. So the ref sorted it all out and just gave Leigh the penalty. The alternative would have been to bin them both.

If somebody had just piled me into the ground ( deliberately ) I'd have ripped his head off

So you have no argument I'm afraid

If Gareth had done the tackle the whole RL world would have been screaming RED

I'm far from what could be described as a Gareth Hock fan - I can't stand the bloke; but I think you're right on this one - McShane deserved to go for that, and the lack of reaction from most quarters is probably based on his reputation as one of the games biggest $h1thouses - which he is.

Welcome to the world of having a notorious $hithouse in your super league team, we had it with Moore and he was targeted constantly, I'd expect the same will happen with Hock. He's going to be a target and needs to learn how to be in complete control of his emotions unless you want to see him at the MRP almost every week

I didn't see much from him in that game that was worthy of any criticism; lashing out at McShane was fair do's in my view - McShane spear tackled him, then gave him an elbow facial on the ground - provocation if ever there was such a thing.

I think the problem here is the refereeing and it has been for years, they seem to be ignorant of certain offences and players. This leads to players getting wound up as they feel they have no protection from the referee. The ref then loses control of the situation and a fight breaks out.

Huh......if you're on the floor of a bar in Wakey at 2am, a retaliatory elbow in the face after being upended could be described as "fair enough".
But if you want to stay on the field in a game of Rugby, not p!ss half the fans off, make a positive contribution to the team and not spend the rest of the game watching them get hammered cos they're a man down, "fair enough" doesn't really cut it.
Hock say's its fair enough, that's why he is what he is....in the f***** bin half the time.