Trying to guess wages is not very helpful - they're paid somewhere between what they and the club thought they were worth when the negotiations took place.

All that matters is that Saturday's display is proven to be a blip, when they go out on Friday night and play with effort, endeavour and sufficient enthusiasm to play a jaded Cas side off the park; if not, I'll worry.

he is not on 80k , i doubt any of the other guys are.

have you ever been in the superbowl car park and seen their cars???????????

very few superleague players earn 80k i would say around 10% earn that or more at a push.

to put things into perspective i know for a fact that when winterstein signed for us he earnt 32,500 pro rata for his short stay.

the vast majority of our squad will be earning between 20 - 40k

do the math 20 players x 25k = £500,000

what is our turnover? cant be more than 1.5 million ?


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Yes, he does look jaded, didn't know about his wife and baby, he does look tired and maybe needs a paternity break for a couple of weeks. He looked well battered in the post match interview. We certainly don't want another Tronk scenario. Probably the wrong choice as captain as he is playing an alternative role and not on the field enough.
Mainly, the half backs need to spark to take the pressure off him and others.

Lauititi was a poor mans version of Solo, at the moment with injuries and fitness I think I'd rather have ali.

Southern should possibly be back on the bench with Kirmond & Lauititi in the second row. Think like alot of others Southern looks unfit although not as bad as what Hickey was last season. If he is carrying an injury then rest him completely and get him and Collis right. If personal problems then 2 weeks off at least is a must.

Ellis tackles like a machine aswell and gets good yardage from dummy half and if he can be incorporated in the 17 with Aiton to loose and Washbrook on the bench then why not? Somone earlier mentioned 3 hookers in the team but Wood could interchange with Ellis and keep Aiton on at loose for the full 80 with his tackling technique.

Need to concentrate on the ruck area as that has been one re-emerging trend in the season so far along with the inability to deal with the high ball on our own try line. I'm sure R.A. is banging his head against a brick wall in training week in/week out working on these issues.

They were great against Catalan and Warrington so one week doesn't make a bad team.

Anyone describing Southern as class / quality needs there head looking at and should watch some 1/2 decent teams to understand what class is. I'd describe Westwood, Wilkin etc as Class / quality some might say world class.

The difference between Southern and individuals like Westwood is huge...

Southern is an average import that does a job plodding in, and some good defending nothing more nothing less.

We have very few class players at Wakefield.. Fox / Smith (on his day), Aiton, Amor, Ali Southern is certainly not one of them.

The only 'class' players we have are Tim Smith and Paul Aiton. Southern is a grafter much like Duncan McGillivary and Monty Betham. The problem is that we have too many 'grafters' in our team who are tied to our club! We gave 3 year deals out willy nilly, including one to a player who has not played this season at all.

At this moment in time I'd describe McGillivary & Betham to be head and shoulder above Southern..

Im not writing him off just yet but needs to up his game like a lot of other players...

There are others in the team who I am more worried about than Southern, every team does need a grafter or two I appreciate he has his value. I am more concerned that strike players aren't firing, Vince Mellars looks crap and ineffective and has an inability to pass to his winger. Issac John...well, I don't know! Cockayne has been rewarded with a 2 year extension despite conceding more points than he has scored. Fox is as ever suspect in defence.

We have Wildie, Tony and Ellis rotting in the reserves and I am thinking we need to give them the chance, could they do any worse?

Steve Southern is a good solid player no more no less, i think people on here expected him to be bursting through defences like Tony Williams and hit players like Sam Burgess. Not a prayer. How many games has he played prop againt players in excess of eighteen stone. He weighs about fifteen stone FFS.

And that is why our game is in the state it is..average player wont let you down but an overseas player over here taking the place of a homegrown / English player.

Southern is a grafter. His loss of form maybe due to having a newborn and him and his lass not having family to fall back on. But his wife was preggers when he signed he knew what he was involved and is well paid so hopefully things will settle down.