betts can be summed up in j20's signature: This isn't a sleeping giant, it's a giant! Denis Betts Nov 2010.

what a chopper.

It's almost as if Scott Moore didn't actually saycut to ribbons'"

Sums up the game pretty well really that. Was impressed with our pack but didn't make enough of 'our time' whereas you bagged 4 unanswered tries in the last 20mins. First choice full back and stand off back should help though.

Too early to judge but I'd say at least 2 / 3 sides could well be below us both (alternative to most predictions).

Quote: djcool "Widnes new 1st team kit If this is trying to take the viewtopic.php?f=33&t=421878 it's failed, big time. Mathers is the one complaining about it so wouldn't he be the one wearing it? As far as mathers is concerned, posting them pictures on twitter is fine by me. Only as a statement to show the conditions he was playing in. However I do think he should give the I-pitch time. We got the game going in minus temperatures? It was never going to be pretty, just look at the Leeds and Salford games. Lots of cuts, scrapes and grazes. As far as I'm aware the I-pitch has to be watered on a consistent basis. I believe this was restricted on Friday as obviously the water would freeze on the surface. This left a frosty surface behind which took no prisoners. Agreed it was not ideal conditions for a superleague game but your all glad it went ahead aren't you?

Quote: djcool "Widnes new 1st team kit If this is trying to take the viewtopic.php?f=33&t=421878 it's failed, big time. Mathers is the one complaining about it so wouldn't he be the one wearing it? As far as mathers is concerned, posting them pictures on twitter is fine by me. Only as a statement to show the conditions he was playing in. However I do think he should give the I-pitch time. We got the game going in minus temperatures? It was never going to be pretty, just look at the Leeds and Salford games. Lots of cuts, scrapes and grazes. As far as I'm aware the I-pitch has to be watered on a consistent basis. I believe this was restricted on Friday as obviously the water would freeze on the surface. This left a frosty surface behind which took no prisoners. Agreed it was not ideal conditions for a superleague game but your all glad it went ahead aren't you?

Maybe they did get told to remove it. Maybe they just did themselves.

But eveb your own players since seeing posts after Salford vs Cas stopped going on about it being related to the pitch... Bar Mathers.

Could that be due to the amount of Widnes supporters being rather vile to him at any chance?
Is he not allowed to defend himself?

Just a thought.

Dennis Betts should keep his trap shut. His team got 'well beat' in the end, by a side who are probably gonna finish in the bottom 4 in SL. (sorry)
And also he should realise how LUCKY he is to be coaching a side in SL, no-one but Widnes would have given him such a job (he took the role, knowing they would be voted in), and he couldn't hack it in the championship. Back to 'kick & clap' for Betts when Widnes eventually sack him, it's only a matter of time.

We'll have the pies on here soon if we keep having ago at "our Dennis"
He seemed to have calmed down by the time the SL show went out.
The only thing is, the number of head shots that occured in a relatively short time almost looked like a "plan" and it certainly too kthe man in the middle a long time to take decisive action.
I dont agree with you about the bottom 4, but we'll have to wait and see.

The next time Denis Betts is on TV, close your eyes and listen ... it's Tommy Cooper!

Wakefield seem to have perfected lying on the the tackle and the slow playing of the ball. [We do not have a ruck in Rugby League. The ruck is when a player is tackled in RU and other other players attempt to get the ball out of the ruck with their feet].

I watched the three man tackle and then each player counted to 5 and then peeled off the tackled player. That I could not describe as "controlling the Tackling and the playing of the ball. Players should not have to wait for the referee to call "move". The rule is quite clear that players should roll away when the tackle is complete.

I have no problem with the result and I won't blame the referee, although he was a bit inconsistent at times.

How many headshots before he took action ? BTW the ruck area is the area surrounding the tackle/ptb, we know its not a ruck or maul as in Yawnion.

it's going to be a long season for widnes fans if they think the ref is to blame for their own inability to master the laws and their interpretation.

Deliberate blow to the head is a sending off offence. Having watched the game back, there was certainly several opportunitieer for someone to be sent for an "early bath", so I think the ref was extremely lenient with this. Yes you were penalised, which Betts complained about, but the ref should have taken stronger action earlier.