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For all his faults I can’t imagine Corbyn spending - no, WASTING - £900k of the tax payers money on his own personal plane.

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Quote: King Street Cat "Why are people so obsessed with what other parties would have done????? It's like losing a rugby match and saying, "we'd have won that game with the team from last season". It's irrelevant. The Conservatives are in power and they are making the decisions. Just focus on them.'"

I've read all of your posts regarding this business and like your two outspoken mates have at every opportunity turned it into slating the government of the day, but carefully steering away from the party you obviously support, no prizes for guessing why, if you are so clued up on the subject maybe you could offer an insight as to what they should have done instead of criticising off the back of what other people have said not so easy without hindsight is it, as for my obsession I abhor politics and all politicians along with the scummy reporters and the news media who mainly only show you what they want you to see, so no agenda from me chief just somebody what's sick and tired of the constant whinging, the people of this country voted them in and voted for brexit, get over it and learn to live with it, your day might come next time round maybe.
Oh and by the way, if that's the best analogy you can come up with then I wouldn't bother next time.

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Quote: little wayne69 "the people of this country voted them in'"


They shouldn't mind when their choices are questioned, then. It's been a well known fact for decades that Johnson is a serial liar. It's not a revelation which has just emerged.

The latest government u-turn.

rlhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53095336rl

What happened to the 'world-beating' app? The government were told weeks ago that it would be almost impossible without the input of Apple/Google, but carried on wasting money regardless. Nothing to do with hindsight. No doubt feathering the nests of their pals. I guess what they really wanted to do was harvest people's data.

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Dominic Raab’s turn to make a tit out of himself.

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Quote: Willzay "For all his faults I can’t imagine Corbyn spending - no, WASTING - £900k of the tax payers money on his own personal plane.'"

I respect your right to have an opinion, but you don’t seem to have a very good imagination, and it’s not his own plane, it belongs to the RAF, but I have the opinion it’s a waste of money changing the colour, nothing wrong with RAF, colours and markings.

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Yeah it is an RAF plane and should be kept the way it is so it is available for dual use by our armed forces. There was always a virtue to having the plan anonymous and in RAF grey. Instead it is now to be entirely obvious to anyone with any dubious motives that a Royal or senior UK government official is on it. The benefits of turning up somewhere in a UK branded plane seems negligible to me.

As former RAF pilot Andy Netherwood says “The paint scheme gives away the fact that No 10 is re-purposing an aircraft acquired to provide defence. If Johnson wants a VIP jet fine, but make the argument and pay for it.”

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Maybe someone could inform me just what the government have got right .

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Quote: lampyboy "Maybe someone could inform me just what the government have got right .'"


They got elected, saving us from Corbyn, other than that not much.

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Quote: Willzay "For all his faults I can’t imagine Corbyn spending - no, WASTING - £900k of the tax payers money on his own personal plane.'"


Wouldn't need one, he could power an airship with his own hot air, rather like yourself.

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Quote: Fishermanscap "Wouldn't need one, he could power an airship with his own hot air, rather like yourself.'"


Hot air and Johnson go very much hand in hand icon_surprised.gifops:
Without his pre rehed tag lines, he seems to offer very little indeed.
That and overstating the "success" of everything d040.gif
There's a huge difference in being positive and spouting nonsense and he's a lot closer to the latter.

His pledge of "world beating" test and trace for the 1st June is a classic example - the app, which was to be the USP in the test and trace may not even be ready, or is than oven ready, by the end of the year.
At least he got "Brexit done", although were still miles away from the "oven ready" deal that was good to go in November ?? icon_surprised.gifops:

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The original royal yacht was built to be used as an hospital ship at the time of war. When the Falklands came along rather than send this ship they commandeered the Canberra instead. I expect that the RAF plane will cease to be used for its intended purpose, mid air refuelling.
What do we hear today but a suggestion from a Government minister to build two new yachts, one for the Royals and one for the government. I may have missed something but aren’t we in a recession. They are clueless and have no idea what the general population would feel about this.
The magic money tree is now apparently a magic forest.

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What I learnt from the Brexit debate and general election is that those of us from the centre-ground or left of the political spectrum over-estimate dissatisfaction in the general public. The myriad of Facebook Groups I am a member of are unashamedly echo-chambers. For me personally, they represent pro EU, Liberal mindsets with no or negligible diversity of thought. Crucially I am self-aware enough to recognise I’ve built myself an echo-chamber world on social media and that the truth of what "the people" actually think can't be found in them.

In those chambers, we discussed at length that we would inevitably be getting a people’s vote, that no one in their right mind would vote Tory or that even if they did, the LDs and Labour would be able to form a coalition and keep them out. We started to believe it because we never stopped to ask anyone with a different point of view.

The mistake that those who do not like the Conservative Party or this government make is to assume the indignation and outrage we express is actually felt by the general population. Once you wake up and realise that this isn’t the case AT ALL, then you’ll change tack. Quite simply, the masses do not feel any great antipathy towards this government yet. No great dissatisfaction is brewing. Some of us may fervently WANT the general public to have some sort of epiphany but it really is not the case. This thread is interesting to me because it has view points from people who I fundamentally disagree with and it adds a sense of perspective about the barriers to the sort of UK I would like to see.

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Quote: Willzay "Dominic Raab’s turn to make a tit out of himself.'"

He'll be in good company then.

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Quote: Pumpetypump "What I learnt from the Brexit debate and general election is that those of us from the centre-ground or left of the political spectrum over-estimate dissatisfaction in the general public. The myriad of Facebook Groups I am a member of are unashamedly echo-chambers. For me personally, they represent pro EU, Liberal mindsets with no or negligible diversity of thought. Crucially I am self-aware enough to recognise I’ve built myself an echo-chamber world on social media and that the truth of what "the people" actually think can't be found in them.

In those chambers, we discussed at length that we would inevitably be getting a people’s vote, that no one in their right mind would vote Tory or that even if they did, the LDs and Labour would be able to form a coalition and keep them out. We started to believe it because we never stopped to ask anyone with a different point of view.

The mistake that those who do not like the Conservative Party or this government make is to assume the indignation and outrage we express is actually felt by the general population. Once you wake up and realise that this isn’t the case AT ALL, then you’ll change tack. Quite simply, the masses do not feel any great antipathy towards this government yet. No great dissatisfaction is brewing. Some of us may fervently WANT the general public to have some sort of epiphany but it really is not the case. This thread is interesting to me because it has view points from people who I fundamentally disagree with and it adds a sense of perspective about the barriers to the sort of UK I would like to see.'"

I found this post very sensible, you are quite right, having a one track mind often puts one onto the wrong track. Although I have strong views, and sometimes over passionate, I do try to keep an open mind, a lot of views on here I tend to disagree with, but sometimes I have to think more seriously about them. Let’s all try to keep an open mind.

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Quote: Pumpetypump "What I learnt from the Brexit debate and general election is that those of us from the centre-ground or left of the political spectrum over-estimate dissatisfaction in the general public. The myriad of Facebook Groups I am a member of are unashamedly echo-chambers. For me personally, they represent pro EU, Liberal mindsets with no or negligible diversity of thought. Crucially I am self-aware enough to recognise I’ve built myself an echo-chamber world on social media and that the truth of what "the people" actually think can't be found in them.

In those chambers, we discussed at length that we would inevitably be getting a people’s vote, that no one in their right mind would vote Tory or that even if they did, the LDs and Labour would be able to form a coalition and keep them out. We started to believe it because we never stopped to ask anyone with a different point of view.

The mistake that those who do not like the Conservative Party or this government make is to assume the indignation and outrage we express is actually felt by the general population. Once you wake up and realise that this isn’t the case AT ALL, then you’ll change tack. Quite simply, the masses do not feel any great antipathy towards this government yet. No great dissatisfaction is brewing. Some of us may fervently WANT the general public to have some sort of epiphany but it really is not the case. This thread is interesting to me because it has view points from people who I fundamentally disagree with and it adds a sense of perspective about the barriers to the sort of UK I would like to see.'"


The beauty of online news apps is that they can pull all of the different versions of the same story together in one place. That way you can read how a story has been reported, and commented on, across the whole political spectrum.

It never fails to amaze me how some outlets can spin bad news, however bad it is, into an almost credible story. You'll rarely get a truly balanced report across the whole spectrum, but it's depressing the levels some outlets will sink to to protect 'their man'. And it's even more depressing to see the commentariat blindly cheering it on.

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