Ah the last refuge of a loser. You get shot to bit's and now pretend you were on a wind up all along. You'll be using the expression you own me next. I've been around to long to fall for that one old lad.

Now go on say it, "sorry Vasty I misread your post"

Vasty

I think you make some valid points, however the sacking of Agar is nothing more than an academic discussion.
The jury is still out for me, but if we get to a point we have played 6 lost 6 then I may be in favour of seeing a change of coach.

However for Agar to be sacked it would need someone running the club to actually come to that opinion and that's the problem. I don't think we have anybody in the club who would know a good coach from a bad one. The people in charge are quite new to the game and still have much to learn rugby wise. Other than Kath who allowed Agar to continue at Hull ,who at the club is going to realise he is actually a bad coach?

I don't think Agar is a bad coach, just not a head coach. Doesn't really impact on your point of which I agree with. Agar is safe as houses. There isn't the will nor the money for it to be any different.

Is agar the man for the job? Probably not, I didn't think so then and I don't think so now, that's not to say he hasn't had his successes.
Is he useless of course not, just look at some of the players he's brought in and look at the kudos he his held in within the team.
Are their motivation issues? Yes, are there game management issues? Yes.
In his defence he was brought in under Glover and Elston and a pack of lies & at that time he was a pretty unwelcome acquisition, but he got on with the job and in season 1 did well, since then he has had far from an easy ride.
To suggest Morrison is anything other than a huge gamble though is nonsense.
Like it or not, Agar has more SL credentials than Morrison, not that that is to say that Morrison couldn't do it, there is just nothing to back up that he could by way of fact.
Who would come to a club like Wakefield, I'd guess only someone with something to prove so I guess one way or another it will come down to a gamble of sorts.

It for me is about frustration.
From the despair of 4 months ago to where we were just before the season started, with bundles of optimism.
If you look at our first three games, Salford, not expected to get much from that but came so close.
Bradford at home, a game that after Sunday's performance, you would have expected us to get the points against a side with a skinny squad than us.
Wigan away on Sun, playing a team that has just played in World Club Challenge and will possibly be feeling the effects come Sunday.
Three games all with a possibility of coming away with something with different factors influencing how to play.
This for me is when your coach earns his corn.

I would say that Agar was still possibly the best coach that we could have got when he was given the job, assuming that the rumours about Powell not wanting to come were correct.
We go a little lucky in his first season, finishing the regular season with 7 wins on the bounce and last season was largely an anti climax.
We had as settled a squad that we have had in many years and for one reason or another we didn't quite hit the mark.
There was plenty of juggling with the squad with Mariano and Vince Mellors, never quite fitting in, although Mariano finished the season as one of our better players.
The main point about last season (and I don't know if anyone is qualified to answer), is the possible effect of our financial predicament.
Although this came into the public domain at the end of the season, were there any major issues before this time that would cause upset within the ranks and with the coach ?
Moving onto this season, it's not reasonable to pass judgement yet.
We've had a topsey turvey close season, with large numbers of our better players leaving which is not Agars fault and yet he is the guy that has to pick up the pieces and create a competitive squad.
Ok, we still have KIrmo, Collis, Mathers and Fox as senior players from last season but most of the rest are either younger players or newcomers and 3 of these have only been in the country for 2 weeks.
On top of this we've had to play 2 games in 5 days, which is difficult enough for any team, but far more difficult for a group of players looking to get to know each other and for Agar to mould into a team.
The problem with this season is the threat of relegation at the end of the year and we have now failed to pick up points in 2 very winnable games.
The team will improve and I still believe that we will avoid the drop.
As for Glen Morrison, I agree that he is a top bloke and he MAY be able to do a job but, it would be a HUGE gamble and not one that we should take.
It could damage our chances of survival and could dent Morrison's coaching aspirations, unless of course he could be successful at Wakefield, in which case the opposite would be true.

We have to face facts that, at this moment in time, we are a lower end SL club, with a chequered financial record and unless MC is successful in steadying the ship and helping build our reputation in the RL world, we will remain in this for position .

Of course, IF Newmarket becomes a reality, we could start to grow and hopefully become a major force in the game.

We should of gone for Daryl Powell when he was at Featherstone, great great coach who set the benchmark for the rhinos team we all see today. Worked wonders at Featherstone and is doing the same as Cas in making them a well drilled team. Agar is cut from the same cloth as Cullen,with both having huge funds available to them but both doing absolutely naff all. Both can talk the talk and attract decent players whilst also having the players respect. Ultimately both are proven failures

Nothing to do with any wind up dear,just how you get so wound up because some if not all disagree with you,the wifes a bit like that,hold on a minute



no she's making tea,phew.

You are joking aren't you?

At Hull FC!!!

The style of play and structures are much improved; it's more often than not execution that lets us down.

And if you want a grown-up discussion, lay off the juvenile lolling smilies - it doesn't help.

Your right wrencat it would be a gamble for Morrison match more than us shall I tell you the differancebetween Morrison and agar glen treats all players with respect that's why he gets the most out them the same can't be said for agar who certainly has is favorites and his treatment of walshaw and wildie is criminal, didn't go to Salford but those two are the equals if not better than Ryan and godinet,who id been led to believe were our saviours,on their displays against Bradford I don't think so and don't give me the only just got off the plane excuse, you can always see a bit of class if its there , ,the halfbacks passing was dire and the centre /second row looked second rate