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Quote: bren2k "Hats off to WMDC, 88M and YCP - they've played a blinder here; they've used the void created by the silence from WT and the Trust, .'"


Keeping their powder dry. Taking legal advice. Working away behind the scenes.

You get the picture.

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Quote: roverman "We could be playing elsewhere and the tickets be used for that,what good is belle vue without Wakefield trinity what use is belle vue without anyone to pay the rent .'"

A smaller possibly 4g community facility, 5 a-side piches etc would take up much less space and as such cost much less to run. It would open up the site for extra development to bring the cash in. The individual organisations that used them would pay for the privilage and the rent covered that way as happens in other facilities of that nature.

As for the tickets yes they would be transferable but given they've have been sold under the guise of playing at Belle Vue should that not be the case then a refund would have to be offered. I doubt many would take them up on it but it would only be right and proper to make the gesture.

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "Keeping their powder dry. Taking legal advice. Working away behind the scenes.

You get the picture.'"


Correct. I know it's frustrating for people but after 12 years of fighting do they not think those involved have not learned a trick to two.

The Trust members and the Trinity BOD are not stupid people and unlike Box are only fighting on a single issue. We have far more time to get things right than he and his cronies do.

They are just fobbing people off whilst we are building a case - which would people prefer, cheap soundbites or well thought out actions?

Funny thing is I'm more relaxed about our prospects than ever before because at last it's heading for a showdown. A showdown that if we win will get us what we want - even Box cannot dodge a final binding legal judgement. He cannot allow this because it would mean his Council was operating illegally which in turn would see him and his cabinet sacked and the Council taken under Central Government control. If that was the option he would soon find the money and the will - he's calling our bluff.

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For all those that find this a bit worrying take comfort from this.

This press release looses total credibility as soon as it mentions Yorkcourt will become financially involved.

That lot could have bought the stadium and Superbowl prior to 88G and did all they could to avoid doing so. If the scheme is to rely on anything from them, its already dead.

In fact don't read this press release as worrying news, its actually quite comforting because its sheer desperation indicates how worried the council really are.

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Quote: vastman "Correct. I know it's frustrating for people but after 12 years of fighting do they not think those involved have not learned a trick to two.

The Trust members and the Trinity BOD are not stupid people and unlike Box are only fighting on a single issue. We have far more time to get things right than he and his cronies do.

They are just fobbing people off whilst we are building a case - which would people prefer, cheap soundbites or well thought out actions?

Funny thing is I'm more relaxed about our prospects than ever before because at last it's heading for a showdown. A showdown that if we win will get us what we want - even Box cannot dodge a final binding legal judgement. He cannot allow this because it would mean his Council was operating illegally which in turn would see him and his cabinet sacked and the Council taken under Central Government control. If that was the option he would soon find the money and the will - he's calling our bluff.'"

But as PB has said the stadium build relies on funding from Yorkcourt. Even a win in court, which is far from guaranteed, will not result in them building a stadium at Newmarket or anywhere else, it will just mean the land up there won't be developed and in all likelihood be returned to greenbelt. To try and flog it to another developer willing to shell out £10-12 million out of their profits for a stadium build, planning costs, plus the land already used for the freezer is unlikely to happen, especially in any kind of timescale that gives us a chance of survival. It might screw Box up which would be very nice indeed, but will we get a stadium out of it? Nah.

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Again, without knowing Carter's response it is difficult to back his cause.

The council are saying they are giving all natch day income and match day priority to Wakefield as well as full access to training areas.
They say Wakefield want full control instead.

If that is not correct, why not just come out and say well take it and let the trust manage the other days?

I'm completely willing to back the trust and the Trinity board.. but what am I backing?

Comments on here saying don't worry seem to be based on what they'd like to think is happening rather than what they know is happening.

I welcome facts to enlighten me if anyone has them, but I haven't seen any yet.

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Quote: Sacred Cow "But as PB has said the stadium build relies on funding from Yorkcourt. Even a win in court, which is far from guaranteed, will not result in them building a stadium at Newmarket or anywhere else, it will just mean the land up there won't be developed and in all likelihood be returned to greenbelt. To try and flog it to another developer willing to shell out £10-12 million out of their profits for a stadium build, planning costs, plus the land already used for the freezer is unlikely to happen, especially in any kind of timescale that gives us a chance of survival. It might screw Box up which would be very nice indeed, but will we get a stadium out of it? Nah.'"


Why would that happen. Councils can be sued and the Trust can sue the Council. Forget about YorkCourts its the Council who will be sued I suspect and sued on behalf of the Ratepayers who they have failed.

Of course they won't want that and will then and only then find the solution that is needed and part of that will be to force Yorkcourts hand. Remember Yorkcourt don't own the site where the stadium will be built nerd they have planning permission to carry on. 88 group don't have planning permission either. Can you imagine how easy that one would be to block especially if the Council were forced to swap sides.That is how I see it.

Truth is you're not an expert and neither am I. We don't have the knowledge or all the fact, in fact I doubt many people do have the knowledge of such a complex case including the Council.That's why the Trust are taking it slow, we can't afford to make mistakes.

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The planing permission for the new stadium at bell view as been past two weeks ago

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Wasn't so long ago Box was telling yorcourt to pull away from the project ! Now it seems there chums again...
My own opinion is that there trying to sicken MC off ..
let's not panic just yet... if the council had naff all to worry about why even bother with the statement today...

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From an outsider looking in, so please be patient with me!!

The trigger point has not yet been reached with the builders?
Is this right? Because if it is, I honestly cant see what recourse MC has. I get the outrage over false promises, under-handedness etc. I truly do. But from a legal viewpoint, I just can’t see how you are in any position to be demanding anything. To be honest, I dont think your chairman is doing your club any favours with his tweets. To me he’s coming across as a bit of a spoilt brat who isnt getting his way. I expect a bit of flack for that comment, but seriously, the time for cryptic tweets and snide remarks has long gone. If you have something to counter the claims against you, just say it! You don’t need advice from a lawyer to offer counter arguements made against you!
The majority of people will now be of the opinion that your chairman wants to have his cake and eat it. You will not like this because you are emotionally involved, but its true. The time for a response is now. Even if its just a re-hash of a previous statement, just offer something to get the population of Wakefield back in the picture.
Tell the world what you are legally owed....

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Quote: PopTart "Again, without knowing Carter's response it is difficult to back his cause.

The council are saying they are giving all natch day income and match day priority to Wakefield as well as full access to training areas.
They say Wakefield want full control instead.

If that is not correct, why not just come out and say well take it and let the trust manage the other days?

I'm completely willing to back the trust and the Trinity board.. but what am I backing?

Comments on here saying don't worry seem to be based on what they'd like to think is happening rather than what they know is happening.

I welcome facts to enlighten me if anyone has them, but I haven't seen any yet.'"

But which trust? Are WMDC manoeuvring to let another trust take control?

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Quote: JINJER "But which trust? Are WMDC manoeuvring to let another trust take control?'"


Or someone else take over the club?

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I know it's all speculation, but what would happen if MC sold the club to someone from out of the area, eg Toronto, and WMDC built a stadium on Belle Vue with Wakefield Trinity Ltd running a rugby club from it (ie, the limited company that has recently been set up, as per Companies House)?

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The council do not need to appease the few on the forum. If they convince the majority of Wakefield ratepayers that the club are greedy by wanting a ground but not willing to contribute towards it.
What the council has done with the statement is to fill the void left by the clubs silence. If what they say is correct or not it is all that the ratepayers have to go on,
The club are not helped by 88M also pointing out that they are being ignored by the club and have not received official instructions regarding next season.
The club are now boxed in (I know) if they follow through and move out of the city they can never return without agreeing to what the council have asked for. They could stay away from the city but that would mean a slow death.

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Quote: JINJER "But which trust? Are WMDC manoeuvring to let another trust take control?'"


Again, although it isn't very nice, why is it a problem either way?
If we get match day control and match day income why do we care who does what on the other days?

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