Lost revenue for a club that needs every penny, spin that one.

This is the best idea I've ever read! Sadly, unworkable, but still.

If it was an exercise in limiting the amount of ale consumed then why for heavens sake did they not have bottles of shandy available.As swmbo said "a very warm night and it would have been nice to at least get a shandy when the ale ran out" the club would have pulled even more money in.

...well said Poptart...guess I was stood somewhere near you, and yes it was a bit cramped, but, with me being 6ft4, it wasn't a problem for me personally, and even for the more vertically-challenged folk stood around us (SWMBO is only 5ft), there were no complaints. It all helped create a cracking atmosphere.



As for the folk complaining about the lack of beer, it's a double-edged sword...yes, beer sales bring much needed income into the club, but the obvious pay-off is the likes of what we saw at the Widnes game...numptys who can't handle their beer. I am sure that the club would rather lose a few HUNDRED pounds in beer sales than have to pay a several THOUSAND pound fine to the RFL for failing to control drunken mindless morons !!!!!

To some of us, alcohol is a pleasant way of socialising and chilling out at the end of the day, to others it is a compulsory way of life. I have been going to Belle Vue for around 40 of my 48 years to watch a game of rugby, and have yet to have a beer at a game. Granted I drive to the ground...but as I said, I go to watch rugby, not have a drink. I can do that when I get home, if I want to. I accept that some people want to do both, and I don't have a problem with that at all, but surely it is hardly good reason to start burning your season tickets, just because the club ran out of beer, during our best attended game in years....SOME PEOPLE NEED A REALITY CHECK !!!!

If you want to drink beer, go to the pub.....if you want to watch a game of rugby, come to Belle Vue.

Harsh to start calling for a man's job - the situation looked to have been well-managed from my vantage point and the lack of bother would suggest that overall, the segregation worked.



Great attendance, fantastic atmosphere and the team ran the champions very close in a hard-fought game - what's to complain about?

My comparison with a night club was in light of all the stair wells (exits) being blocked. You clearly have no idea of the concept of access and egress when it comes down to the duty of care for persons or employees on your property. All means of access and exits must be kept clear.

...well said Bren...I think some people are suffering from withdrawal symptoms from the amount of beer they DIDN'T drink last night !!!!!

It's health and safety gone mad - I blame the EU.

Ran out of BEER!

Beer and a game of rugby go hand in hand for me.

We need the £ and to lose the revenue from beer sales at our most profitable home fixture is laughable!

We were expecting a 5 figure crowd all week?

So who ever orders the beer should be disciplined!

Opportunity missed!

Will just have to sell more ST!!

On the matter of H+S?

The location of the beer sheds for home supporters is an issue!

Located high at the back of north stand with no way to que and getting in other people's way.

The burger bar by Doncaster road turnstiles causes a bottle neck on a thoroughfare making accessing the male toilets difficult. And the steps down to the east pen dangerous!

if H/S had there way this country would come to a stand still, it amazes me how they turn their back on more serious issues just to implement another



but you are right in that walk ways and exits are detrimental in an emergency

H/S officers are a pessimistic bunch they have to look at the worse scenario

Yes, indeed. It was so much better when we averaged 4,000 every week wasnt it?

It's better when we can use the west terrace



With plentiful bars and toilets



And not an Elf safety officer in sight



It will be intresting to know if they ran out of BEER down the dark side



I do hope they enjoyed there yearly visit and come back next year?

While some home fans feel alienated and enjoyment have suffered and may not return?

Enjoy the game

All this talk of walking away and not renewing is ludicrous and petulant.



Segregation is not ideal, but it's a reality of modern sport. BV is very difficult to effectively segregate and it was the first "proper" attempt at it, theres bound to be hiccups at first.The most important thing for me there was no trouble and hence no fine.



One of the big positives for me was that I stood in the N stand and the atmosphere was unreal - much louder than my other haunt in the Revie End to put it in comparison.



The game was close and of a decent standard, was a bit annoyed they ran out of beer but not going to complain because as others have said, I go to BV for the rugby and a beer is a bonus. Anyone who gets that put out by not being able to have a beer for an hour or so needs to take a look in the mirror imo.



All in all a good night, just a shame we couldn't get the win.

If it turns fans away then they are not really fans are they? They come to watch the rugby and supposedly support Wakey, they should get on with it

I take you're point but can you define a "real fan" for me.

A few minor issues that need some work but other than that i agree.



I don't drink so from my own view its not an issue other than a loss of much needed dosh for the club but the walk ways are.

Well, for me, a real fan would stick with the club, channel their energy into supporting the 17 blokes who put on the red, white and blue, a real fan would not say "if so and so happens/does not happen I won't be getting a season ticket for next year".

Real fans? What people who have been going through thinner and thinner since god was a lad? They are real fans mate and true rugby fans, something that appears to be decline at Wakey. But these fans also go to enjoy themselves, they just manage it without getting =#FF0000EDIT up and signing derogetory songs about the opposition. Last night many fans didn't enjoy it and if that becomes the norm then they will walk away and that will hit the club harder than when the part-time, trouble causing

=#FF0000EDIT that seem to be the clubs target audience get fed up and go as well.

Al I consider myself a real fan- ie I have supported the team since 1961- and like you I don't need to get =#FF0000EDIT faced to enjoy the game and all that goes with it

The segregation from where I was sat looked to be policed ok ,run out of beer,get a grip.Must have a problem,but I suppose we need something to moan about after a great game.God....just listen to yourself.

Fair points, i think from other replies we all see "real fans" differently.

It's not the running out of beer that's the issue I have a problem with the lost revenue in what is one of our biggest earners.

This is are biggest opportunity of the season to make some £.

And we throw it away on/off the field.

Could have filled a few holes in are ship.

A conservative estimate of 50k lost.

They were people wanting to spend money and we couldn't take it off them.

I hope someone is held responsible for this?

Or maybe we didn't have enough to pay the supplier with our track record I don't think I'd be offering credit.

If I had to go down legal channels to get paid.

As we don't know each other I would say it is NOT clear that I have no idea about "access and egress".

Where I was stood you could get out and move around easily.



However, you compared the North stand to a night club. A nightclub is a confined space with limited exits and narrow walkways to get to them. Added to that an area that encourages drinking all night and plenty of electronic equipment around to start the potential fire in the first place and carpets to keep them going. The safety laws are completely different in that situation as I'm sure you know.



Apart from the people themselves and possibly the beer shed, there is little to burn in the north stand. In addition if there was a problem everyone could exit east, south and west (as they do at the end of every game)

The walkways should indeed be kept clear for emergency use, in or out, and I hope they do in future, but I disagree a safety inspection would not have closed that down imho.

on the subject of h&s, i too am a safety professional and there were definitely issues last night that needed to be addressed (stairwells left clear - this is often so that the first aiders can get to casualties easily etc), and there are also some improvements that need to be made that are not h&s related (beer queues).



*quick rant* - there are a lot of issues that are not h&s related but people label it as such so they are not questioned, many of these are just poor customer service. us h&s guys get a bad reputation for been jobsworths, when it is often not our fault!! sometimes it is over zealous insurance assessors!!! *rant over*



cracking atmosphere last night though.