I’m pretty sure without him we would currently be sat on a meagre 2 points. It may be a sad state of affairs but imo he is the difference.

If he is to go we need some considerable quality injection into key areas to compensate in the team for 2023. Even more so if Fifita is going.

If Miller is going I’d be looking at a quality 6 from somewhere and a couple of strong props and a loose.

The Salford game was a prime example of the difference even a lowly winger can have on a game.

Exactly, he won it for us single handed more or less. If you watch a large number of our try’s come following direct involvement from him or runs in previous tackle to get us on the front foot.


We don’t realise sometimes how lucky we have been to have him at trinity.

I really hope he stays. If he doesn’t he will still be my favourite player and I’ll still follow his progress.

I'm not saying it's ok, I'm saying that might be why we are looking for a player who short term can fill the gap. At the end of the day if he's off we have to do something and if he's off and it's early then ditto. Truth is that although I don't think Tom would deliberately hold back, knowing you're off will affect him, especially with his injury history. It's best for all in these situations if he leaves sooner rather than later, as in all work situations it doesn't pay to prolong a worker who no longer wants to work for you. Personally I've rarely made someone work their notice period as it's counterproductive, I usually just pay them what is owed and shake hands. It's incredibly sad but we all feared this would happen.

I wouldn't argue with that.

FWIW I honestly think I can pinpoint the moment TJ decided he was off. The pathetic play the ball to nobody in the Cas game. TJ was right in front of me and he turned to Hall and shook his head and raised his arms, he was so angry and whatever he said to Hall was not complimentary to some of his teammates. I think at that point the lad grew up and knew this couldn't go on. There is loyalty then there is blind loyalty and the blinkers came off at that moment.

I honestly don't think it's money as I suspect we are up there on the wages, especially with a testimonial not that far off. It's about his legacy, very different players but it's exactly what Toppo had to do in the end. The only way I can see him stopping is if WP and MC can convince him that next year we will recruit a far higher standard of players, let's hope.

Mark Colbeck?

We are throwing lots of names around implying they have some criminal activity.
Let's be careful with that please.
If it isn't in public domain as a conviction, please don't post tge name.

Accusing someone of having a bad temper is not libellous or defamatory, especially in this context nor for that matter is it a criminal offence to be bad-tempered. So why does it need to be in the public domain? Shall we stop naming Rocky Turner as he was a bit iffy temper wise by today's standards. Are we really that afraid these days to say it as it is or was?

That's not what I said, nor what was being discussed.

This guy beat someone up badly, and was convicted, as were a couple of others that were named like Johnson and Webster. But randomly throwing names in with no context is not fair on those players.

Reserves initially 10 nil down, currently 22-10 up.
HT 22-10

Reserves won 26-10

Good game went 10 down early on but never looked back lad on wing looked decent.minns and yusef stand out for me

Edited as I may be wrong to be fair I’m pretty sure he’s the player mentioned but I may have the crime wrong

I maybe wrong actually thinking about it.

I could not have been more clear about posting names like that Upton.
It's serious enough that I will have to ban you if you do it again.