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You are kidding. Trueman when fit is England class.
Only Brough was at that level and he had other issues that cost him.
Rooney and Jeffries were both great players and too of my favourites but Trueman has skills they do not have.
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Trueman is a class player. I really hope for himself and the team he can actually get a consecutive run of games as he is a player to genuinely build a team round. I’ve not seen a 6 as good as him in my time of watching Trinity, he is an absolute class act.
He literally amplifies the spine around him to play better. With him off the pitch against Kr, we never looked like scoring.
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A) Trueman wasn’t signed “halfway” last season, he was signed towards the end and if you think he was going to contribute for one game then you’re living in cuckoo land.
B) Last year is incomparable to this. Rodwell and Doyle might not be on as much as Trueman individually but they did both sign new long term and improved deals.
C) when Trueman has been on the field he’s certainly helped max and mason look a lot better, and set up some nice tries for TJ.
I honestly don’t recall Gaskell getting this amount of heat and that guy was actually useless to say he was our main playmaker.
Agree about Gaskell he was way past is best and we still had fans defending him , This is the problem with Trueman was very good when he was 18 at Cas, but bad injuries have caught up with him ,and he is not the player he was.If he was that good why did Hull let him go with one year of is contract left .Hull fans were saying they were glad to see the back of him, always out injured and one good game in every 10 Trueman played 11 games in is last season at Hull .When you think about some of the halves we have had at Wakefield over the years Miller ,Roony Jeffries Brough he is no were near there class, and would say that Dagger who played at 6 when we got relegated was better .The reason why Lino looks better when Trueman plays is that Lino can just organise his side of the field and not run all over the field like he had to do in the second half against HKR If Russell plays on Saturday we will have a half who can do the basics right, and take pressure of Lino and have Max at fullback were he should be Trueman is better than three of those you mention. You can clearly see the difference he brings to the team when he plays, and your fav Lino plays much better when he's has Trueman in the halves with him. Hull let him go because of his injury record, not because of his ability, which to me isn't in doubt. His robustness is, some people just seem to suffer more than others in what is a brutal game. His susceptibility to injury is a concern, and something the club will no doubt be aware of. | | |
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Agree about Truman. Hes the best 6 we have had in a very long time. Fans need to get off his back and be sensible.
If he had put some more games together I have no doubt he’d be in the ashes squad.
Looking forward to seeing him continue his good form after the concussion. Hopefully only misses a week.
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| Khlav Kalash:alegend:Willzay:
A) Trueman wasn’t signed “halfway” last season, he was signed towards the end and if you think he was going to contribute for one game then you’re living in cuckoo land.
B) Last year is incomparable to this. Rodwell and Doyle might not be on as much as Trueman individually but they did both sign new long term and improved deals.
C) when Trueman has been on the field he’s certainly helped max and mason look a lot better, and set up some nice tries for TJ.
I honestly don’t recall Gaskell getting this amount of heat and that guy was actually useless to say he was our main playmaker.
Agree about Gaskell he was way past is best and we still had fans defending him , This is the problem with Trueman was very good when he was 18 at Cas, but bad injuries have caught up with him ,and he is not the player he was.If he was that good why did Hull let him go with one year of is contract left .Hull fans were saying they were glad to see the back of him, always out injured and one good game in every 10 Trueman played 11 games in is last season at Hull .When you think about some of the halves we have had at Wakefield over the years Miller ,Roony Jeffries Brough he is no were near there class, and would say that Dagger who played at 6 when we got relegated was better .The reason why Lino looks better when Trueman plays is that Lino can just organise his side of the field and not run all over the field like he had to do in the second half against HKR If Russell plays on Saturday we will have a half who can do the basics right, and take pressure of Lino and have Max at fullback were he should be Trueman is better than three of those you mention. You can clearly see the difference he brings to the team when he plays, and your fav Lino plays much better when he's has Trueman in the halves with him. Hull let him go because of his injury record, not because of his ability, which to me isn't in doubt. His robustness is, some people just seem to suffer more than others in what is a brutal game. His susceptibility to injury is a concern, and something the club will no doubt be aware of. Part of his susceptibility to injury is that he is tough in defense and gets stuck in. I'd rather have that than someone who doesn't risk injury and just waves them through.The injury he has is an impact injury that has nothing to do with him. Tom had a long time out with concussion. Needs managing and there are rules that force us to do so. | | | |
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I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
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I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right | | |
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I don't think you are right about Trueman though.
At the time of signing there was no one available at his talent level for a start.
We signed Russell to go with him with Lino being inconsistent.
For me it was a risk yes but a risk worth taking. Time will tell though as you say.
I don't think we'd have been as bothered if Russell had been fit.
Wigan aren't looking to release French when he has a long injury. They are helping him in rehab and celebrating the young kid taking his place.
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I don't think you are right about Trueman though.
At the time of signing there was no one available at his talent level for a start.
We signed Russell to go with him with Lino being inconsistent.
For me it was a risk yes but a risk worth taking. Time will tell though as you say.
I don't think we'd have been as bothered if Russell had been fit.
Wigan aren't looking to release French when he has a long injury. They are helping him in rehab and celebrating the young kid taking his place.
I agree about Truman. His ability is not in doubt. He lifts the whole team when he plays. In fact, I’d go as far to say him being available could determine whether we finish in playoffs or not. I think that’s why some people are getting upset about him being unavailable. Because he is so influential. Speaking of young replacements. Myles Lawford is about 14 months post ACL isn’t he? Usually it’s 9-12 months acl recovery. I wonder if he’s had a big set back. Though inexperienced he is a halfback and could slot in for ocassions like this and provide that link. If he’s fit and not getting the opportunity then that’s strange considering we paid a fee and signed him as one for the future. | | |
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I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right No I know mate, and I'm not here to shoot you down, just to debate. For what it's worth, I think Jake Trueman is a better player now than he was when he first came through. Could he be even better had he played consistently for 8 years? Probably. But he's still one of the best English halfbacks. And easy to forget he's 26 - probably got 7 years left in him. But what I'm really questioning is how you know the wages all our players are on? I've never actually seen any proof that Trueman's a marquee player, or that we're paying him more than Olly Russell, for example. Do we have any marquee players? I know we still have space on the salary cap, but is that because we've exempted players, or because we haven't spent the cap even when Mike, Tom and Trueman's wages are included? | | |
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alegend:Butcher:
I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right Where do keep getting that Trueman was signed on a 3 and half year deal? He signed for us on August the 27th, but he was only brought over so we were in charge of his recuperation. He couldn't even potentially play for us, that's if we wanted him to until the end of the SL season on the 21st of September, which would have only been a game or 2, but we didn't use him. https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trueman-joins-wakefield-trinity/
Trueman still is a very good player, in fact, he's a better player than he was as an 18-year-old, with a better kicking and passing game, it's just that he keeps getting injured and there's a huge difference between being injury-prone and being passed it as you seem to suggest. Hull fans also didn't think he was a poor player either, they were just frustrated he couldn't stay on the field because they were a much better team when he was on.As I keep on saying why not wait till near the end of the season and see where he is, if he still has problems I think Powell and the team will already be having talks with Jake and we'd, unfortunately, have to move on but it's happened to plenty of players over the years and is the nature of the beast, some work out and others don't. Let me ask you this because it's very similar, do you think it was wise for us to sign TJ back? He was out with a bad injury when we signed him for 3 years and he also has a poor injury record & is older than Trueman. But that's turned out alright for us, hasn't it? Anyway, we're going around in circles here, you've got your mind made up and I'm not gonna change it. |
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I always enjoy your ability to spark a debate, alegend, but claiming Will Dagger is a better player than Jake Trueman has got to be your best one yet. You're obviously frustrated about Trueman's lack of game time - we all are - but it's frustrating precisely because he's so good.
And I have to ask, as you seem to know, how much is Trueman on? And how much is Rodwell on?
Do not go out to get shot down all the time Just put down what I think As said.Truman was a very good player when he was young ,but because of injuries he is not the player he was and do not think he is worth the money he is on To me a marquee player is on top money and should show why, like the other two marquee player's we have got .Know player's get injured and I can accept this .But to bring in a marque player this season with the injury record he had was a bad call by the club ,when you think how much the same people have got right.A post earlier said ,I must live in cuckoo land because I said we signed Trueman on a 3 and a half year contract from Hull that i know to be true ,then we loaned him back .Fans at the time said it was a great bit of business but I thought we should have stayed well clear and at presents I am right Where do keep getting that Trueman was signed on a 3 and half year deal? He signed for us on August the 27th, but he was only brought over so we were in charge of his recuperation. He couldn't even potentially play for us, that's if we wanted him to until the end of the SL season on the 21st of September, which would have only been a game or 2, but we didn't use him. https://wakefieldtrinity.com/trueman-joins-wakefield-trinity/
Trueman still is a very good player, in fact, he's a better player than he was as an 18-year-old, with a better kicking and passing game, it's just that he keeps getting injured and there's a huge difference between being injury-prone and being passed it as you seem to suggest. Hull fans also didn't think he was a poor player either, they were just frustrated he couldn't stay on the field because they were a much better team when he was on.As I keep on saying why not wait till near the end of the season and see where he is, if he still has problems I think Powell and the team will already be having talks with Jake and we'd, unfortunately, have to move on but it's happened to plenty of players over the years and is the nature of the beast, some work out and others don't. Let me ask you this because it's very similar, do you think it was wise for us to sign TJ back? He was out with a bad injury when we signed him for 3 years and he also has a poor injury record & is older than Trueman. But that's turned out alright for us, hasn't it? Anyway, we're going around in circles here, you've got your mind made up and I'm not gonna change it. | |
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Ellis has said Trueman is a marquee player along with McM and TJ.
I certainly take that as saying he's in the top 3 earners.
Whether he is marquee in the salary cap rules I'm not sure. TJ certainly is as it's slightly different criteria for him being homegrown but it kinda depends whether we are up to the limit to get an advantage out of the rule.
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