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| Quote: King Street Cat "Ah, so you see how easy it is to create sockpuppet accounts to discredit things posted online.
I don't doubt she worked in the hospital. What I am questioning is her motive. Is she doing this for the good of the human race, or has she got dollar signs flashing in her eyes? It's interesting to note that the news outlets who seem to have gone for the story are Fox News and Alex Jones' Infowars. The last bastions of truth!
Will you be buying Olszewski's book? Have you donated to her GoFundMe?
Ah, so now she isn't an "out and out fraud".
Make your mind up.
Let your wife watch the video. She may not believe her but by god, Erins medical knowledge hardly makes her out to be a "sockpuppet"
I don't know about this crowdfunding but seeing as she was brave enough to be a whistlblower and loses her career as a result, maybe she's needs the money simply to live.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Bloody well put, sir
Ah..but.........no I won't, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
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| Quote: Miro "Ah..but.........no I won't, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.'"
Eh ?
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| Quote: Miro "Ah, so now she isn't an "out and out fraud".
Make your mind up.
Let your wife watch the video. She may not believe her but by god, Erins medical knowledge hardly makes her out to be a "sockpuppet"
I don't know about this crowdfunding but seeing as she was brave enough to be a whistlblower and loses her career as a result, maybe she's needs the money simply to live.'"
I think you need to do a bit more digging into 'Scarin' Marie'. There are so many questions over her, her statements, her past, and her motives.
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| Tell you something, I’m looking forward for the opportunity to buy Tim Tams at a reasonable price.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "I think you need to do a bit more digging into 'Scarin' Marie'. There are so many questions over her, her statements, her past, and her motives.'"
Seach no 1
] "However, what she secretly has done has been secretly recording video inside of makeshift ICU's and spreading [imisinformation"[/i
No proof here that what she reported was "misinformation."
and here is the well worn pull on your emotions.
"This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers "
]No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline.
In fact generally it could pertain to many well known activists, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mandela, the list is endless.]
I shall search for more on "scarin Marie"]
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| Quote: Miro "Seach no 1
and here is the well worn pull on your emotions.
"This is a slap in the face the hundreds of healthcare workers "
No mate, nothing there of any substance. Couldn't even tell us where she lied, despite the headline.
In fact generally it could pertain to many well known activists, Martin Luther King, Ghandi, Mandela, the list is endless.
I shall search for more on "scarin Marie"'"
Could only find three, and 2 of those on facebook..Sorry, don't do facebook. Maybe you could hi light the terrible things she has done.....from facebook.
Actually, the guy I quoted. I did look on his youtube post after I watched Erin's video Headline I DE BUNK etc. etc.
You see, I was prepared to listen to an opposing view. But sadly, no facts just, like you, a general character assassination.
Come on mate, you can do better than this...
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Are you talking about 0.2% of the population or 0.2% of deaths for those who have contracted the virus ?
Also, you suggest that the virus wont spread during summer ??
It seems to be gathering pace in some very warm climates at present
The 0.2% figure is the current estimate I've arrived at doing some research across the medical spectrum.
This represents the fatality percentage rate of an average population that will die from coming into contact with the virus.
In other words '2 in every 1000 people' will die compared to the seasonal flu, estimated lower at '1 in every 1000'.
As it stands, its therefore twice as deadly as the seasonal flu. However as we all know this virus is not the flu; it targets more of the elderly demographic and its affects on the human body are different to that of the flu.
Nevertheless this is good news as it's way lower than the scaremongering media predicted between, last time I checked the WHO estimated 30 - 50 people would die in every 1000 (3 - 5%).
Another measure is the infection mortality percentage rate, this will obviously be much lower because not all the general population have come across the virus yet. The UK is currently at 0.06% (even though we've performed really poorly).
In terms of infectious nature of the disease, it appears to be more infectious than the flu but with this being a coronavirus I'd expect this to be the case.
I still need to find out how this can be calculated as there doesn't seem to be any mass anti body testing being undertaken to measure the speed of transmission and the actual numbers of people that have come into contact with it.
We can however look at the Flu estimates, which predict up to 5 million people in the world can be severely affected by the flu in one year.
Currently there are globally 8,313,703 confirmed cases of COVID, of this number i've not managed to determine how many of them would be defined as severe.
Again, more information is needed on the severity of the confirmed COVID cases and infectious nature of the disease compared to the flu. I'll keep digging for answers when I find the time, bit difficult as I'm working full time again now. Please note, I accept any comparison with the flu is flawed, but I've got to use the estimates provided even if they are based on unreliable models. I've nothing else to go off and the medical centres have never performed flu tests on the industrial like scale for COVID19.
As for current COVID rates, peak infection for respiratory diseases usually last up to 70 days then it will naturally tail off regardless of many interventions. Fingers crossed most of the countries across the world are of the woods.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Do you want to put those couple of videos against the endless,, endless videos of doctors bemoaning the numbers of covid cases or refrigerated trailers lined up outside hospitals and funeral places in the states.
You're examples may be proven right, although it seems unlikely at the moment and we now have countries like Spain, deliberately under reporting the numbers so that they can open up their ecconomy.
We will have the same over here very soon, with the 2 metre distancing being "relaxed" to allow businesses to function more easily'"
It's usually me who gets accused of conjuring up conspiracy theories lol
Do you have any EVIDENCE to support these claims?
Reason for drop in to 1 metre is because they over estimated the severity of the disease lol Look at countries with the 1 metre rule they are performing way better than us.
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| Well, Matt Hancock just broke his own social distancing rule and doesn’t have the b******* excuse of “testing his eyesight”. Wonder if Patel is quick to criticise as she did with the BLM? What a circus this Government is.
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| Quote: Willzay "Well, Matt Hancock just broke his own social distancing rule and doesn’t have the b******* excuse of “testing his eyesight”. Wonder if Patel is quick to criticise as she did with the BLM? What a circus this Government is.'"
Well looking on the bright side, at least some things can cheer you up
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| Quote: Miro "Could only find three, and 2 of those on facebook..Sorry, don't do facebook. Maybe you could hi light the terrible things she has done.....from facebook.
Actually, the guy I quoted. I did look on his youtube post after I watched Erin's video Headline I DE BUNK etc. etc.
You see, I was prepared to listen to an opposing view. But sadly, no facts just, like you, a general character assassination.
Come on mate, you can do better than this...'"
Let's face it, the majority of people in the UK don't priortise data, evidence or scientific research. All we are concerned with is 'likes' on social media, character assassination, censorship and political point scoring. Scientific debates aren't welcome, certainly not on the mainstream media. Everything is about pushing an agenda. Look at basic facts of health; the number of people affected by cancer, heart disease and dementia. They far exceed the damage done by this virus and not even a whimper made by the media. The whole scandal to this virus is plain and simple; there is a complete lack of a sensible response to a coronavirus that has been blown way out of proportion.
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| Quote: MatthewTrin "It's usually me who gets accused of conjuring up conspiracy theories lol
Do you have any EVIDENCE to support these claims?
Reason for drop in to 1 metre is because they over estimated the severity of the disease lol Look at countries with the 1 metre rule they are performing way better than us.'"
Simple maths and listen to the reports from the regions of Spain.
If more than 1 region reports a death in any particular dat, there has to be more than one death nationally.
Expect something similar here and then a relaxing of social distancing to 1 metre, allowing more businesses to open and making it easier for kids to get back to school.
Then, just hold your breath and hope that we dont end up back where we were 3 1/2 months ago
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Simple maths and listen to the reports from the regions of Spain.
If more than 1 region reports a death in any particular dat, there has to be more than one death nationally.
Expect something similar here and then a relaxing of social distancing to 1 metre, allowing more businesses to open and making it easier for kids to get back to school.
Then, just hold your breath and hope that we dont end up back where we were 3 1/2 months ago'"
I can see your logic but I need you to provide evidence to support this as a truth.
So far all the countries that got this virus under control and came out of lockdown have shown no indication of a second wave.
The evidence in data shows like all viruses, it has burnt itself out. It's time to fully reopen society and then act cautiously once Winter comes around again.
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| Quote: MatthewTrin "Let's face it, the majority of people in the UK don't priortise data, evidence or scientific research. All we are concerned with is 'likes' on social media, character assassination, censorship and political point scoring. Scientific debates aren't welcome, certainly not on the mainstream media. Everything is about pushing an agenda. Look at basic facts of health; the number of people affected by cancer, heart disease and dementia. They far exceed the damage done by this virus and not even a whimper made by the media. The whole scandal to this virus is plain and simple; there is a complete lack of a sensible response to a coronavirus that has been blown way out of proportion.'"
I have to say I feel you are knocking your own credibility linking your post to Miro MT.
I find you slightly more open minded with an opinion that isn't the same as mine but reasonably thought out all the same.
Miro is just latching on to the smallest thing to go against the status quo.
Posting one blog, saying there are others that have been shut (so can't be proven) and then aggressively challenging others to disprove is just trolling for the sake of it or a complete tin foil hat issue. I can't decide which.
I'll certainly give you the fact you've made a boring period with no rugby much more active Miro but when you are challenging facts from every government and media outlet it is up to you to prove your case, not the other way around.
Your nurses blog is interesting, and even if back up by 'many' more, what about the millions who didn't bother to right a blog because they were OK with what they were seeing?
My main reason for doubting your credibility is that you are outraged at everything that is mainstream. Even grumpy Willzay has a balance to his views sometimes and can laugh about it when proved wrong. You just come across as desperate when you can't see even a chink of light in anybody else's point.
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