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| So, Adeybull, is it possible that the club have acted illegally?
What I do know is that the letters have only been sent to existing shareholders, as I haven't had one and I'm a season ticket holder, and so they have my address. Although the club has publicised what they are doing, I haven't seen any evidence that it is an open invitation. Or am I wrong?
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| The CLUB are not selling shares & therefore there is no obligation to provide any form of prospectus.
The form of fundraising being proposed is in relation to a existing shareholding and is being offered by an individual shareholder, albeit that any money raised is for the benefit of the club NOT the shareholder concerned.
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| Quote: RDM "The CLUB are not selling shares & therefore there is no obligation to provide any form of prospectus.
The form of fundraising being proposed is in relation to a existing shareholding and is being offered by an individual shareholder, albeit that any money raised is for the benefit of the club NOT the shareholder concerned.'"
if the 1k shares "donations" is only open to current shareholders it does reduce the chances of getting the 500k quite considerably.
just out of curiosity how many shareholders are they?
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| Quote: RDM "The CLUB are not selling shares & therefore there is no obligation to provide any form of prospectus.
The form of fundraising being proposed is in relation to a existing shareholding and is being offered by an individual shareholder, albeit that any money raised is for the benefit of the club NOT the shareholder concerned.'"
Just trying to understand this:
A shareholder ( lets assume TR) is giving 1 of his £1.00 shares to any person who will donate £1,000 to the club.?
Is that what is happening?
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Quote: braytontiger "if the 1k shares "donations" is only open to current shareholders it does reduce the chances of getting the 500k quite considerably.'"
It isn't, otherwise, why write
[iThe club are asking the people of Wakefield to purchase £1000 worth of shares to raise £500,000 with a deadline of 31/1/11 for purchase.
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www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2011 ... re-scheme/
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Quote: braytontiger "if the 1k shares "donations" is only open to current shareholders it does reduce the chances of getting the 500k quite considerably.'"
It isn't, otherwise, why write
[iThe club are asking the people of Wakefield to purchase £1000 worth of shares to raise £500,000 with a deadline of 31/1/11 for purchase.
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www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2011 ... re-scheme/
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| Quote: bigalf "Just trying to understand this
It's not a proposal that goes on a pro-rata basis immediately. Control of the whole shareholding is being made available to those individuals who are able to raise the £500k required. That could be anything from one person putting the whole amount in (unlikely I know) to 500 each putting £1,000 in.
If the money is raised by a group of people it will be up to them how they then divide the voting rights that come with them.
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| Quote: RDM "It's not a proposal that goes on a pro-rata basis immediately. Control of the whole shareholding is being made available to those individuals who are able to raise the £500k required. That could be anything from one person putting the whole amount in (unlikely I know) to 500 each putting £1,000 in.
If the money is raised by a group of people it will be up to them how they then divide the voting rights that come with them.'"
So how do fans who are not shareholders get to know what the total shareholding for the £500,000 will be?
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| Quote: RDM "It's not a proposal that goes on a pro-rata basis immediately. Control of the whole shareholding is being made available to those individuals who are able to raise the £500k required. That could be anything from one person putting the whole amount in (unlikely I know) to 500 each putting £1,000 in.
If the money is raised by a group of people it will be up to them how they then divide the voting rights that come with them.'"
The more I read about this, the more nebulous the whole thing becomes. I'm not even sure what people are being asked to invest in/donate to/raise funds for any more (other than the club, of course). What exactly is the deal here? Add the supporters' trust to the mix, and you have one very murky soup indeed, from my perspective.
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| Quote: RebelRebel "The more I read about this, the more nebulous the whole thing becomes. I'm not even sure what people are being asked to invest in/donate to/raise funds for any more (other than the club, of course). What exactly is the deal here? Add the supporters' trust to the mix, and you have one very murky soup indeed, from my perspective.'"
Let me clarify one thing at least
THE SUPPORTERS TRUST IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SHARE OFFER!
The ST was already being organised long before the current glut of financial issues became public, the severity of the clubs situation has hastened the proposed formation of the ST but thats all.
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| Quote: The Clan "Let me clarify one thing at least
THE SUPPORTERS TRUST IS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SHARE OFFER!
The ST was already being organised long before the current glut of financial issues became public, the severity of the clubs situation has hastened the proposed formation of the ST but thats all.'"
I understand that. What confuses matters for me is how the planned supporters' trust is running along in parallel to the share offering. I know this may be jumping the gun here, and there's no doubt a lot still to be decided, but is the ST also aiming to pool resources to buy into the current share offering? If not, where (and perhaps more importantly, when) does it come into the equation?
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| Quote: bigalf "So how do fans who are not shareholders get to know what the total shareholding for the £500,000 will be?'"
Quote: bigalf "I understand that. What confuses matters for me is how the planned supporters' trust is running along in parallel to the share offering. I know this may be jumping the gun here, and there's no doubt a lot still to be decided, but is the ST also aiming to pool resources to buy into the current share offering? If not, where (and perhaps more importantly, when) does it come into the equation?'"
As I understand it, the meeting next week will be considering the creation of a ST which will then consider the most appropriate way to help the club. Answers to pertinent questions about what's been happening at the club over the last few months will be available to help people decide whether they wish to be involved in either the fundraising effort, the ST or both.
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| Quote: RDM "As I understand it, the meeting next week will be considering the creation of a ST which will then consider the most appropriate way to help the club. Answers to pertinent questions about what's been happening at the club over the last few months will be available to help people decide whether they wish to be involved in either the fundraising effort, the ST or both.'"
OK, thanks for that. I'll "od me osses".
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| Quote: RDM "As I understand it, the meeting next week will be considering the creation of a ST which will then consider the most appropriate way to help the club. Answers to pertinent questions about what's been happening at the club over the last few months will be available to help people decide whether they wish to be involved in either the fundraising effort, the ST or both.'"
I thought everyone was saying that the meeting next week to set up a Supporters Trust was nothing to do with the Club or the BOD
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| Quote: bigalf "I thought everyone was saying that the meeting next week to set up a Supporters Trust was nothing to do with the Club or the BOD
You are correct. The meeting is to seek a mandate from supporters to establish a Supporters Trust. It is nothing to to with the Club or the BOD.
Until the Trust is consituted, assuming a mandate is forthcoming how can anyone say what the trust is going to do - that decision will be one for its members to make.
It certainly will not be advising Supporters/Shareholders whether or not to buy shares in the Club as it will not be qualified to do so - That would be a breach of FSA rules and have potentially serious consequences.
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| I for one am totally confused by this "share offer". So many people seem to have differing opinions on what it actually is. I am pretty clued-up in this arena, so if I am confused what must most fans be?
And it is nothing to do with me, I appreciate. But, speaking as one of the founder board members of another Trust, albeit for a club not (now) facing the problems yours is, I would urge as many of you as possible - hell, I'd PLEAD with as many of you as possible - to get to the Supporters' Trust meeting next week.
What Sandal Cat just said is 100% spot on, of course. But, as an outside observer, I really think it could prove to be the start of something as important as anything in trying to ensure the long-term future of the club. If enough of you guys have the will to make it so. And I know the core of Wakey supporters are as passionate as any in the game so the basis simply has to be there?
I wish I could somehow put across on here just how important I believe enough of you guys turning up next week might prove to be! And how genuine I am in that belief.
Sincerely,
A concerned observer and well-wisher.
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