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| Quote: King Street Cat "Not this myth again.
It's currently spreading like wildfire in Brazil. Record number of new infections today. And while June is Brazil's 'coldest' month, temperatures still average 19/20 degrees. It'll be into the mid 20s for the majority of this week.'"
To clarify, I was specifically referring to the UK and not any other country. Secondly I meant to say they don't spread anywhere near as severe like they do in a UK Winter season. Thidly if you dont believe deaths are higher from respiratory diseases in a UK winter season go to the ONS site and download the data as its all there to support my view. Fourthly I don't assert the virus spreads in relation to temperature, I strongly believe they spread from seasonal changes in the weather I.e. summer to winter. This might help you understand Brazil's growth in numbers - April to September is there low season (currently in the middle of winter, June & July). I've not done any detailed research into Brazil so it would be unfair of me to comment on them any further. But for a country with a population three times our size they are doing much better than us based on the death figures.
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| It's interesting that no one, not least those who constantly spout "death" figures, have responded to the video (I posted the info) of New York Nurse Erin Marie Olszewski.
Feel free to de-bunk her personal front line experience before espousing endless quotes on death figures from the MSM.
Also of great interest is the comments from around the world in the section below the video. Not just New York.
Also the links I posted of doctors disputing, again their personal experience, how many of those figures have been arrived at.
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| Quote: Miro "It's interesting that no one, not least those who constantly spout "death" figures, have responded to the video (I posted the info) of New York Nurse Erin Marie Olszewski.
Feel free to de-bunk her personal front line experience before espousing endless quotes on death figures from the MSM.
Also of great interest is the comments from around the world in the section below the video. Not just New York.
Also the links I posted of doctors disputing, again their personal experience, how many of those figures have been arrived at.
Do you want to put those couple of videos against the endless,, endless videos of doctors bemoaning the numbers of covid cases or refrigerated trailers lined up outside hospitals and funeral places in the states.
You're examples may be proven right, although it seems unlikely at the moment and we now have countries like Spain, deliberately under reporting the numbers so that they can open up their ecconomy.
We will have the same over here very soon, with the 2 metre distancing being "relaxed" to allow businesses to function more easily
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Do you want to put those couple of videos against the endless,, endless videos of doctors bemoaning the numbers of covid cases or refrigerated trailers lined up outside hospitals and funeral places in the states.
You're examples may be proven right, although it seems unlikely at the moment and we now have countries like Spain, deliberately under reporting the numbers so that they can open up their economy.
We will have the same over here very soon, with the 2 metre distancing being "relaxed" to allow businesses to function more easily'"
Yes, I certainly do. What do you mean a "couple"? You do realize that many, many videos from Doctors, scientists, virologists etc. have been taken down by the media companies because they oppose the official narrative?. Yet Bill Gates, 17 year old Greta Thunderburg (sic) not in any of those professions, can say anything he / she wants?
PS the video of Erin was taken down too but re posted elsewhere.
They too down a video from a front line nurse??? Shame, I hear you saying.
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| Perhaps the most worrying thing currently, is what's going on in Beijing right now, that's if of course what you read is reliable and therefore truthful........
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The hypocritical **** was applauding on a Thursday night before he contracted the virus ??
I appreciate that he owes his life to the NHS staff and lets wait and see what their reward is for risking their lives for a reduced (real terms) reward.
Any truly grateful leader would have paid a bonus to such essential staff but, I will in to wager that their wages will indeed be frozen when "austerity mark 2" is put in place and the Tory loving newspapers will be back to calling NHS workers lazy etc, etc'"
Yes there are good arguments for rewarding some sections of society, but Can you tell me how the government will be able to sort out the future financial problems that the virus has caused. The furlough payment, the unemployment benefits being paid now, let alone to be paid in a few weeks when lockdown ends, and there’s a lot of jobs disappearing. Loss of tax revenues. Already the Chancellor is discussing removing the so called triple lock from the state pension, the pensioners are probably the most vulnerable group in the country. I’ve mentioned on another post, I think the government will need to put billions more into the economy, to create jobs, and infrastructure, taxes will be increased, and I hope those tax dodgers will be chased up. Anyone who has the answer, please contact Boris.
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| Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "Yes there are good arguments for rewarding some sections of society, but Can you tell me how the government will be able to sort out the future financial problems that the virus has caused. The furlough payment, the unemployment benefits being paid now, let alone to be paid in a few weeks when lockdown ends, and there’s a lot of jobs disappearing. Loss of tax revenues. Already the Chancellor is discussing removing the so called triple lock from the state pension, the pensioners are probably the most vulnerable group in the country. I’ve mentioned on another post, I think the government will need to put billions more into the economy, to create jobs, and infrastructure, taxes will be increased, and I hope those tax dodgers will be chased up. Anyone who has the answer, please contact Boris.'"
I was referring to his hypocrisy.
Clapping for the NHS (long before he was taken ill) but, part of a government that CHOSE to squeeze those at the bottom of the pile and freeze the wages of those who we have had to rely on for the last 3/4 months.
You want hypocrisy. Well, you have it right there.
I think what is most likely is an easing of restrictions too quickly and there will be the predicted "second wave" and I have no idea what strategy will be chosen at that point.
Yes, there will have to be tax rises and inevitably, especially with a Tory government, those lowest down the pecking order, will be squeezed the most.
Somebody posted on here that the political parties and politicians "are all the same" - you and I know that they are not.
We had the tag line of "all in this together" during the May era but, clearly we weren't and we never will be.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "To quote one of your earlier posts, they'll just have to "accept responsibility for themselves".'"
I’m sure you’ll find the pensioners of this country are pro the most responsible group in our society. Perhaps you, or your parents fall into this category. I apologise in advance if your parents aren’t longer with you.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "[iOlszewski, the founder of an anti-vaccination group in Florida, is also publishing a book about her experiences at the hospital and has a GoFundMe that seeks to raise $150,000 on the basis of her claims.[/i
This Erin Marie Olsewski? Never let a good crisis go to waste, indeed. I'd say she was an out-and-out fraud trying to make a quick buck. She's no more credible than a scammer. But, whatever gets you through your 'free-thinking' day.
I've read some of the comments on Olszewski videos. They range from "Because covid-19 doesn't exist. It's a global hoax to bring a global dictatorship." to "There is a pyramid of power in the world. This pandemic was planned a long time ago. Bill Gates talked about population reduction through vaccination in 2015. In a dollar bill there is a picture of a pyramide and one eye inside of it with words "new world order" in latin beneath it." Cranks who have just wasted about 5 minutes of my day!
The bit in bold. It's pretty easy for sockpuppets to shower social media with this sort of thing. My wife works in the NHS and she is part of a Covid frontline group. It started off pretty normal. Experiences were being shared and concerns were being voiced by what looked to be genuine NHS workers. Then, when talk of getting the economy back open began, new users started popping up who were saying the virus wasn't as bad as everyone was making out. When the media started reporting on a second wave these same users, and a few more new ones, started to post that what we have just had was probably the second wave, as the virus had probably been with us since last Autumn. It was all very coincidental. There was no talk of this before mention of opening the economy and a second wave.
Now, let me ask you this. I'm guessing you're one of those poeple who 'thinks for himself' and doesn't listen to the 'MSM'? What makes you trust single random people, who just pop up on the internet out of nowhere, even more? It sounds to me like you're wanting to find a conspiracy in all of this, and are just looking for anyone who will confirm your suspicions.'"
So you didn't watch the video and cherry picked a few silly comments. Well done you. In fact I have little doubt some of those comments were put there just to discredit the video.
A front line nurse is now a "single random person who pops out of nowhere". No, she pops out of the Elmhurst Hospital in New York. She served as a nurse in Iraq and was asked by FEMA to transfer her skills from Florida to NY, so hardly "random".
Sockpuppet, out and out fraud?. Your evidence that she DID NOT work at that hospital?? ? Your more into character assassination than bothering to see the evidence she has. Typical reaction in this day and age.
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| Quote: Miro "So you didn't watch the video and cherry picked a few silly comments. Well done you. In fact I have little doubt some of those comments were put there just to discredit the video.
A front line nurse is now a "single random person who pops out of nowhere". No, she pops out of the Elmhurst Hospital in New York. She served as a nurse in Iraq and was asked by FEMA to transfer her skills from Florida to NY, so hardly "random".
Sockpuppet, out and out fraud?. Your evidence that she DID NOT work at that hospital?? ? Your more into character assassination than bothering to see the evidence she has. Typical reaction in this day and age.'"
Ah, so you see how easy it is to create sockpuppet accounts to discredit things posted online.
I don't doubt she worked in the hospital. What I am questioning is her motive. Is she doing this for the good of the human race, or has she got dollar signs flashing in her eyes? It's interesting to note that the news outlets who seem to have gone for the story are Fox News and Alex Jones' Infowars. The last bastions of truth!
Will you be buying Olszewski's book? Have you donated to her GoFundMe?
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| Quote: King Street Cat "Not this myth again.
It's currently spreading like wildfire in Brazil. Record number of new infections today. And while June is Brazil's 'coldest' month, temperatures still average 19/20 degrees. It'll be into the mid 20s for the majority of this week.'"
Comments below.
I believe you King Street Cat. Well said. Did I ever tell you I believe in a flat earth and one eyed monsters.. *
There, that's your posts discredited.
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