Sums it up for me!

i knew someone who smoked 7-10 a day and died off lung cancer would you consider 7 a silly amount cos it was fa tel for him

i used to smoke 20 plus a day gave up the day we knocked hull fc out off the play offs and never looked back. i am a role model for my kids and i set the example (hopefully) for them to follow. i would like to think that wildcat idols would do as well.

I supplied him with the cans!

But that performance could be better therefore yes they are cheating those who pay their wages be it the fans or the club.

Socrates was in a different era but still who knows how much better he would have been had he not smoked and drunk so much.

They also used to eat steaks before games but don't anymore because things have moved on.

Players used to get tanked up the day/night before a game they don't anymore because things have moved.

If you truly believe that they are cheating the clubs and fans then fine,its your opinion -- i just dont think you will find many people agreeing,unless you ask the question at Kingdom Hall.

Nobody is denying that the players that smoke maybe wasting some potential,but they are paid a wage based on what level of performance is expected from the individual,if they reach that level then no one can complain.The only person they are cheating is themselves.

Fabian Barthez,David Ginola,Igor Stimac,Zidane,Bobby Charlton,Jack Charlton,Wally Lewis -- World famous international sports stars from different eras that all smoked -- im sure you wont find many fans who felt cheated by those players either.

JK stands by the decisions
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Well said John.

neggy and turfed out, i agree with both sides of the argument. yes the body is better without smoking and drink but also these players were signed while they smoked and drank. if somebody stopped smoking suddenly their game could be affected...ie anxiety etc (snowie after your comments you would agree)..also the same with having a beer..it can relax you after a tough time...no beer = stressed eric = tension = drop in performance maybe..arguments both ways.

no but he likes doing jury service expenses, expenses, expenses

Given that neither player was accused of smoking, I think it's fair to say we've done this topic to death.

Any new developments in the Scully saga can have a separate thread.

Any top tips on how to give up smoking can be put on the Sin Bin, with a PM to me and BIGAL.

Cheers, folks.