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Theres a very real chance LCC could win it. Whilst it makes sense that it should get the green light nobody truely knows how the planning officer will see it and on which side he will fall. Nobody on either side could give a geniunely unbiased view on proceedings so it is impossible to know until the result is announced in early april. The case for development is a strong one but don't think for a minute that it is a foregone conclusion. Theres still major battles to be won during this inquiry yet.

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I'm a happy depressive - the glass is half empty but the bar is open.:



In the year 2011, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living England and said, "I see your country has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing, along with a few good humans."

He gave Noah the drawings, saying, "You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights."

Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard - But no Ark.

"Noah!" He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?"

"Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed. I needed Building Regulations Approval because the Ark was over 30m2. I've been arguing with the Fire Brigade about the need for a sprinkler system.

My neighbours claim that I should have obtained planning permission prior to building the Ark in my garden because it is development of the site even though in my view it is a temporary structure, but the roof is too high. I had to appeal to the Secretary of State for a decision.

The Local Area Access Group complained that my ramp was going to be too steep, and the inside of the Ark wasn't fully accessible, then the Department of Transport demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea.

I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.

Getting the wood was another problem. All the decent trees have Tree Preservation Orders on them and we live in a Site of Special Scientific Interest set up in order to protect the spotted owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls - but no go!

When I started gathering the animals, the RSPCA sued me. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodation was too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.

Then the County Council, the Environment Agency and the Rivers Authority ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.

I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Equal Opportunities Commission on how many ethnic minority people I'm supposed to hire for my building team.

The trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only CSCS-accredited workers with Ark-building experience.

To make matters worse, the Customs and Excise seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.

So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark."

Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "Does this mean you're not going to destroy England after all?"

"No," said the Lord. "The Government has obviously already beaten me to it!"

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: kyassor "In the year 2011, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living England and said, "I see your country has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing, along with a few good humans."

He gave Noah the drawings, saying, "You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights."

Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard - But no Ark.

"Noah!" He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?"

"Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed. I needed Building Regulations Approval because the Ark was over 30m2. I've been arguing with the Fire Brigade about the need for a sprinkler system.

My neighbours claim that I should have obtained planning permission prior to building the Ark in my garden because it is development of the site even though in my view it is a temporary structure, but the roof is too high. I had to appeal to the Secretary of State for a decision.

The Local Area Access Group complained that my ramp was going to be too steep, and the inside of the Ark wasn't fully accessible, then the Department of Transport demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea.

I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.

Getting the wood was another problem. All the decent trees have Tree Preservation Orders on them and we live in a Site of Special Scientific Interest set up in order to protect the spotted owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls - but no go!

When I started gathering the animals, the RSPCA sued me. They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodation was too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.

Then the County Council, the Environment Agency and the Rivers Authority ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.

I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Equal Opportunities Commission on how many ethnic minority people I'm supposed to hire for my building team.

The trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only CSCS-accredited workers with Ark-building experience.

To make matters worse, the Customs and Excise seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.

So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark."

Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "Does this mean you're not going to destroy England after all?"

"No," said the Lord. "The Government has obviously already beaten me to it!"'"


Now this is a work of genius... I am having it! icon_lol.gif icon_cool.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Out of curiosity, what date is the PI over? What date would you expect to find out the result of said inquiry and finally should you get the green light to commence building, when do you anticipate to be able to start?

No trolling, just genuine interest.

Its a sign of the times that i have to add the above line to get a sensible answer these days
Then I'm worried, because the planning inspector is going to think that you're a complete and utter nutter... and I'd have to agree.

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: Tricky2309 "
Quote: Tricky2309 "
Quote: Tricky2309 "I think if I was Leeds CC I would be asking to see this Barristers qualifications as he seems like a first rate numpty. Admittedly, he doesn't appear to have much of a case to work with, but on that basis surely best advice would have been to remove the objection rather than wasting tax payers money'"


Don't blame the barrister. It's his job to represent his client, with whatever means he has at his disposal. Blame the person who contracted him in the first place, and committed so much public money in what appears to be just an attempt to show his electorate he's worthy of another (lucrative) term in office.'"


Depends what his initial advice was after reviewing the case. If he told Leeds CC the case was weak and they pressed on with it fair enough. However, if he didn't give them advice on the strength of their case then IMO he has not done his job properly.'"


I have said this before, even banged to rights murderers get a barrister! There job is to serve their client and he is there to argue their case, no matter how flimsy it might be!

I suspect he is a very good barrister and I suspect he spends most of his time, and makes most of his money, arguing on the other side of the fence and not the side he find himself on at the moment! However, if straw clutching is required, that is what he will do to serve his client... and he seems to have clutched many straws so far!

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: Theboyem "
Quote: Theboyem "
Quote: Theboyem "Out of curiosity, what date is the PI over? What date would you expect to find out the result of said inquiry and finally should you get the green light to commence building, when do you anticipate to be able to start?

No trolling, just genuine interest.

Its a sign of the times that i have to add the above line to get a sensible answer these days :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: RebelRebel "
Quote: RebelRebel "Now this is a work of genius... I am having it! :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Posted: December 14 2011 10:56 pm

Quote: sixtogo "Theres a very real chance LCC could win it. Whilst it makes sense that it should get the green light nobody truely knows how the planning officer will see it and on which side he will fall. Nobody on either side could give a geniunely unbiased view on proceedings so it is impossible to know until the result is announced in early april. The case for development is a strong one but don't think for a minute that it is a foregone conclusion. Theres still major battles to be won during this inquiry yet.'"


Here, here! Confident... yes! Complacent... no!

The bloke sat in the middle might just have different ideas and he is the only person whose opinion really counts!

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Posted: December 14 2011 11:13 pm

There has been talk of this land being taken out of green belt by WMDC. If they want to do this do they have to justify themselves to the government. If the PI answer is no then could the council take this land out of green belt anyway allowing the development to start and if so what are the times scales?

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Posted: December 14 2011 11:32 pm

Quote: Jason "There has been talk of this land being taken out of green belt by WMDC. If they want to do this do they have to justify themselves to the government. If the PI answer is no then could the council take this land out of green belt anyway allowing the development to start and if so what are the times scales?'"


Sorry Jason, your post reminded me I had not replied to your PM questions!

The inspector looking the LDF, a lady called Shelagh Bussey, will report in February. The LDF hearings were started for a week and then will start again in January, once the Newmarket PI is concluded. The LDF proposes taking 51ha of land at Newmarket out of green belt and making it an employment land allocation. She has an easier time of it, her job is to decide if this is the correct site and if not, she has to suggest another rejected site she thinks is better. That is the hard bit... because there would not appear to be any!

So, the reality is that she will report in February, if she say that Newmarket should be taken out of green belt, then that is a strong indication that Harold Stephens, will probably pass the PI... but by no means a guarantee!

If she thinks Newmarket should not be take out of green belt and the rejected sites should have been chosen over Newmarket, then I would almost certainly think the PI will fail... but again, by no means a guarantee.

One planning inspector is listening to one case and the other planning inspector to the other... it is entirely possible they could disagree with each others findings!

If the PI fails though and Shelagh Bussey still removes Newmarket from the green belt, also possible, then Yorkcourt get to build units and not a stadium... that would please the objectors! Hence the reason why the PI is so important!

For what it worth, I still think they will both pass Newmarket... but I am Mr Positive! icon_wink.gif

So, the answer is... we have to fight the PI & the LDF hearings and hopefully the answer will be yes on both!

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Posted: December 14 2011 11:43 pm

Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "If the PI fails though and Shelagh Bussey still removes Newmarket from the green belt, also possible, then Yorkcourt get to build units and not a stadium... that would please the objectors!'"


Presumably, it would also please Yorkcourt, since they wouldn't have to build (and fund) the stadium. Are we all working towards the same goal here?

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Posted: December 15 2011 12:00 am

Quote: RebelRebel "
Quote: RebelRebel "If the PI fails though and Shelagh Bussey still removes Newmarket from the green belt, also possible, then Yorkcourt get to build units and not a stadium... that would please the objectors!'"


Presumably, it would also please Yorkcourt, since they wouldn't have to build (and fund) the stadium. Are we all working towards the same goal here?'"


Not really, no! They would lose the B2 units & the hotel. Yorkcourt want the whole thing and are spending large sums to get this through, also, they retain ownership of the stadium land (and therefore the land asset value) and are leasing it to the stadium trust for 99 years on a peppercorn rent. They are committed to providing the stadium and sports facilities... but if someone turns that option down by virtue of planning issues, then I am sure they will just build the units. Colin wants to do this and he can afford to do it, if he gets the whole lot, if he doesn't get the whole lot because someone blocks that option then it will not be him or his desire that stops it, but planning permissions!

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Posted: December 15 2011 12:29 am

EDIT: I actually thought the units and the stadium were in some way inextricably linked, but I've scrubbed the rest of my argument, because I'm not looking for one. If Yorkcourt are committed, that'll do me.

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Posted: December 20 2011 11:24 am

LCC now asking YC to submit full planning within four months of the SOS's decision should the PI be successful.

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