Awaiting a response but might not be today.

Sorry - totally slipped my mind - just paid it! #WTID

Paid.

I can see this as a waste of time and money, you've got to have a product to promote and if you don't it's just going to fail

It's not really taking up any time from anyone bar Vastman and it's not compulsory to donate so I don't see a problem.



BTW Vastman my £25 payment went through in the end so tick me off the list please or put me on it, whichever.

Don't do that Snowie. I thought you were better than that.

If you don't want to join in by all means don't but don't patronise those trying to make a small difference.

Thanks for your support mate.

I'll let you know into a bit of insight when the club shouted out for an engineer to help with the stadium issues I called down out of curiosity to see how serious it was, after talking to Neil who was helping with the health and safety we had a walk round and we discussed ways to get this sorted over the months, I personally spent a hell of a lot a time after doing my shifts at work prepping sometimes in the ing rain under sheeting with the van doors open for weekend work where others joined me to get this resolved taking time off work too to oversee testing on the barriers.

I did this because I loved the club and still do but they was in a financial mess, in return me and Neil was offered a chance to set up the brewery in the corner and verbally negotiated rent which wasn't over the top but gave us the opportunity in which we was grateful for, however we had said the waste skips needed moving and it was promised but it was then left to us at cost £500 to do this as well as the cost of altering the building too suit needs.

one thing I didn't get was a decent electric rate and we recon every brew was costing us £25-£30 we did over 100 brews so work that out, this was reduced after talking to Chris explain I was struggling to continue paying such a high rate, on match days we even helped out in the bar saving on staff wages unpaid and the club took a percentage on our pints sold.

there's no bitterness in what I wrote but the club are not in the same mess as they were and it should be up to them now to promote them selves without the need of fans having doing it.

I am not patronizing anyone Poptart and if you want to contribute by all means do but I think I contributed enough in the past years or so to at least have an opinion and if you think the past performances of the last two years are going to promote new custom then so be it



you're welcome BG

That's fair enough Snowie what you have put above.

But as I didnt know that and was basing my reply to your post, maybe it might have been better to have pointed that out first.



Cheers

that's kind of besides the point the reason for the post is stating the product isn't working right now so how can you promote to new and old fans to bring them in when it's become same old

Not sure why that has anything to do with a group of people wanting to help the club with some basic marketing.

If you don't believe it will work, why say anything at all?

because BG said thanks for the support in which I think I have in more ways than one, what you want for those who see a problem to just say nothing



well that will work won't it

As I said. I've no idea what you've done for the club in the past.

I, like others, are trying to help the club now.

If you want to pm me a list of everything you've done feel free.

I'm sure that you will have helped out the club in the past and well done for that.

What's the problem with what we are doing?

You clearly are bitter. That’s your choice but why discourage others. I’ll tell you right now Snowie much as I applaud your efforts I can tell you now I’ve been doing work for the club since 1989 and I can guarantee I’ve put more hours in than you. I can also guarantee that I’ve been let down by the club more times than you!



But the club is not the people who run it, you should know that, same as the shambles of a team we now have does not represent every Trinity team.



We as real supporters have to rise above all that. We do what we can when we can and if the club thinks this will help so be it.



Personally after Thursday I have reservations that now is the time. However all this was done in good faith and we have no choice but to carry it through.



It may be a bad time to do it unless we rally in the next few weeks but to have a pop at others for trying and then following it up with a load of unconnected spite baffles me.



Why not just leave it, nobody is forcing you.



Shame really, I had big hopes that you might help us out with a potential project in the future, I suppose that’s another one off my list

Done.

I've driven through the centre a handful of times in the last 2 weeks and each time I've seen Wakefield AFC advertising on the new digital boards - there's one in the car park across from Wilkos and one at the roundabout where Charlie Browns was.



No idea how much that would cost though.

You read into it what ever you want but i can tell you your wrong again on your assumptions, at least your savy enough to know now is not the right time to promote them but now Its been two years of the same crap results

There is far more to marketing than just telling people to come and watch a winning team.

In fact that is exactly the point.

If we were winning we wouldn't need to encourage people quite so much.



For me I'd target the weekend we can get fans back in. I'd put out the videos of TJs tries on social media and I'd do the mail drop encouraging people of Wakefield to get down and watch.... Implying that could make the difference for the win.

Yes but that’s with hindsight, when we started we had to believe we’d turned a corner and until the second half on Thursday I was hopeful.



That second half in all honesty was one of the most depressing moments I’ve experienced in 30 years of supporting.



Even more of a reason why we fans don’t throw in the towel like our gutless team does (with the odd exceptions).



Can’t tell you how disgusted I am with certain so called RL players. I could have happily given up on Thursday but I won’t. There is so much still wrong with the team obviously but sod them we are the club.

well hang on a minute vasty i honestly thought there was plenty of effort the other night, after pre season for Chester to come out with we are where we are and our attitude was poor was utter rubbish. We had quite a few opportunities to stack some points up but couldn’t and those lack of points put the pressure back on us. He puts them

Out there to play to his systems and he’s the boss, his systems, shape and style of play have not changed for years. We have more or less the same team and an ageing team at that so how anyone thinks we have a top quality side, described by some as our best squad in super league is beyond me. The effort was there but their quality came through we simply weren’t good enough over the full 80. Do we change things and learn by our mistakes no not at all but that is Chester’s job

you seem to think I've given up, far from it I thought the first half had a great deal of effort but lacked something special to break their defense, that little bit of different direction coming on angles no one did, the second half their heads went down enough said



There's a mental block that they have to overcome and I hate saying it but kear had that in abundance to encourage players to preform , that's what's needed you can make the modest of players actually look like they are worth their weight in gold

I'm surprised that you see it that way. Whilst acknowledging our shortcomings with the ball the intensity in defence we showed in the first 50 minutes pleasantly surprised me. The game had an NRL feel about it such was the physicality we showed (unusually). When Chester attacked their attitude as the first comments in his interview I wanted to throttle him. Yet you see it completely massively differently and I would say you are usually a pretty calm headed analyst of it all (as I would like think I am

). Who in particular do you think wasn't putting it in in the second half?

I think you are chopping and changing a bit there, I agree that Chester isn't getting the best out of them in some ways but if you are saying the quality isn't there what do you expect? I think there is quality in there and certainly enough to not be relegation fodder and enough to do better with. Thing is if he keeps coming out with the things he does in interviews nobody will buy into anything he wants to do

Fair point and one of the reasons I didn’t name names, because I’m not sure tbh.



I suspect it’s a collective thing which is why it’s so sporadic.



However I do now believe that somewhere in the mix there is a deep issue.



Remember though effort is not just physical it’s mental and it the mentality that’s missing. Put simply we lack the spirit to win at all let alone scrap for two points and scrapping for two points is what’s kept us in SL.



It’s as if over the past 18 month we’ve transformed into a team that simply goes through the motions expecting it to come right and I think the cat is running out of lives with that attitude.



If we respond as we have in the past I’ll happily back down.



Finally I wasn’t even going to post on the match I only did so because despite the unnecessary criticism of the leaflet drop from snowie, let’s be honest he has a massive point. Is the Trinity of this moment worthy of being advertised as a product anyone would wish to buy?



From a purely business perspective it would be a no in anyone’s book. The product simply isn’t fit for purpose. It’s not the losing it’s the way we are losing.



Thankfully RL is not a real business and in two weeks the whole thing may be different. So on balance we take the risk and we deliver everyone of those leaflets.



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