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| It was a massive fire sale after the Wembley final of 1979 T skerrett to hull £40000 world record at the time Rayners twins both to Leeds £35000 and £38000 A mcurrie oldham £40000 B juliff wigan £25000 S diamond fulham £20000 G Idle Bradford £25000 A kelly HKR £60000 big money at the time.
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| Quote: Roverman1 "It was a massive fire sale after the Wembley final of 1979 T skerrett to hull £40000 world record at the time Rayners twins both to Leeds £35000 and £38000 A mcurrie oldham £40000 B juliff wigan £25000 S diamond fulham £20000 G Idle Bradford £25000 A kelly HKR £60000 big money at the time.'"
It would be big money for us now!
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| Tom is a fantastic attacking player that there is no doubt defensively maybe not but if he was to go part of me wont be dissappointed as i could only assume one of if not our best played player and for a club with our spend we need our best payed on the pitch and we just dont get that tom.although i will be slightly annoyed as we has a club have looked after him through all these lengthy injuries for him to leave for free
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| To me a player has 10 to 15 years in a career and although annoyed when people leave us for so called bigger clubs you cant begrudge anybody moving on if they feel the need to have a higher salary or greater chance of silverware you are a long time retired in our game so i would be really happy if he stays more than happy if he can chance his arm in nrl mildly happy with a move to saints wigan or warrington but less happy if its leeds cas or shudds
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| Quote: Spookisback "No he starts with a presupposition of opinion… then justifies using facts… and when I start taking advice from someone with your track record it will be a sad day!'"
I’m sure we could have a good discussion about this but I don’t think it is a presupposition - it’s just an opinion.
Then, as you say, I justify my opinion with a fact - would you care to dispute it? Then I offer another opinion.
You seem to think I’m having a tantrum, I think I’m right. Offer an alternative opinion/counter argument or just live with it.
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| At the end of the day it will depend on Tom on how amphibious he is, you can't knock him for his loyalty to the club nor his effort on the field when it's reliant on his skill to keep us out of the mire.
If the club thought this out we could get a decent pay out while he's still under contract otherwise we end up doing the dumb thing and let him go for free.
Personally I'd sit down with him openly ask him how he feels about staying with the club trophy less or if he wants to move would he help the club financially if he does move on it wouldn't matter to where he went.
I'd sell him on with his agreement
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| Quote: snowie "At the end of the day it will depend on Tom on how amphibious he is, you can't knock him for his loyalty to the club nor his effort on the field when it's reliant on his skill to keep us out of the mire.
If the club thought this out we could get a decent pay out while he's still under contract otherwise we end up doing the dumb thing and let him go for free.
Personally I'd sit down with him openly ask him how he feels about staying with the club trophy less or if he wants to move would he help the club financially if he does move on it wouldn't matter to where he went.
I'd sell him on with his agreement'"
I think he can swim but don't know how well.
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| Quote: snowie "At the end of the day it will depend on Tom on how amphibious he is, you can't knock him for his loyalty to the club nor his effort on the field when it's reliant on his skill to keep us out of the mire.
If the club thought this out we could get a decent pay out while he's still under contract otherwise we end up doing the dumb thing and let him go for free.
Personally I'd sit down with him openly ask him how he feels about staying with the club trophy less or if he wants to move would he help the club financially if he does move on it wouldn't matter to where he went.
I'd sell him on with his agreement'"
Which is pretty much what Kyle Amor did.
Kyle had just over a year left on his contract and was attracting a lot of interest from other clubs who were challenging for honours
He told the club he wouldn’t be signing another contract but would honour his current one or would go immediately if the club could get a transfer fee for him, which we did.
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| Snowie's right. I'd hate to see TJ leave the club but he has to think about his own career. He won't get international honours on the back of the occasional spectacular game for Trinity. He needs consistency - not Trinity's strong point.
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| Quote: snowie "At the end of the day it will depend on Tom on how amphibious he is, you can't knock him for his loyalty to the club nor his effort on the field when it's reliant on his skill to keep us out of the mire.
If the club thought this out we could get a decent pay out while he's still under contract otherwise we end up doing the dumb thing and let him go for free.
Personally I'd sit down with him openly ask him how he feels about staying with the club trophy less or if he wants to move would he help the club financially if he does move on it wouldn't matter to where he went.
I'd sell him on with his agreement'"
Im just watching St George Illawarra against the Knights, if Johnstone goes to the NRL St George’s stadium is right on the beach. That should suit Johnstone’s needs
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| Quote: Kevs Head "Snowie's right. I'd hate to see TJ leave the club but he has to think about his own career. He won't get international honours on the back of the occasional spectacular game for Trinity. He needs consistency - not Trinity's strong point.'"
I beg to differ.
There is no doubting Tom's ability on the field, he is consistent, and he doesn't score the 'occasional' spectacular try he scores regular spectacular tries!
The consistency that Tom needs is to be injury free for a lengthy time, but it's a result of the fearless way he plays that the injuries occur.
IMO Tom Johnstone is the best winger in SL. Makinson gets lots of praise with Saints, and rightly so, but there's not much between him and Tom - ok I'm biased but I would say Tom has the edge, because I believe he is probably faster than Makinson
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| Quote: Pat Bateman "Im just watching St George Illawarra against the Knights, if Johnstone goes to the NRL St George’s stadium is right on the beach. That should suit Johnstone’s needs
That’s the WIN stadium in Wollongong… the stadium of the former Illawarra Steelers who were lost in the merger with St George … who’s main stadium is in Kograh about 30/40 minutes walk from Brighton Beach at Botany Bay…
I lived in The Gong for half a dozen years… and regularly walked the dogs behind the stadium and on the dog friendly beach just to the south of the stadium and all the way to port Kembla harbour.
However if tJ were to go to the NRL I would recommend Melbourne a very structured team where he would be well looked after. And it’s not near the beach!!
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| Quote: Spookisback "That’s the WIN stadium in Wollongong… the stadium of the former Illawarra Steelers who were lost in the merger with St George … who’s main stadium is in Kograh about 30/40 minutes walk from Brighton Beach at Botany Bay…
I lived in The Gong for half a dozen years… and regularly walked the dogs behind the stadium and on the dog friendly beach just to the south of the stadium and all the way to port Kembla harbour.
However if tJ were to go to the NRL I would recommend Melbourne a very structured team where he would be well looked after. And it’s not near the beach!!'"
Completely agree about Melbourne, Bellamy is the best coach in the game and his record for developing players is outstanding, Tom would flourish under Bellamy. Crucially Tom has that one element that Bellamy loves in his wingers ‘speed’. Just look at how many opportunities they create for their edge finishers.
Some SL stats on wingers
TriesTries per game
Tommy MakinsonMetres
Tommy MakinsonAverage gain
Tommy MakinsonClean Breaks
Tommy Makinson: 14 (highest in the competition from any player)
Tom Johnstone: 11
Greg Eden: 10
Ryan Hall: 10
Adam Swift: 7
Ash Handley: 5
Ken Sio: 5
Matty Russell: 5
Josh Charnley: 5
Jermaine McGillvary: 4
Tom Davies: 3
Liam Marshall: 2
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| Makinson is a class winger and has been for some time, but the best way to compare is to imagine how good Makinson would look in the various Trinity teams of the past 6/7 years and how good Johnstone would look in a dominant St Helens team. Certainly the stats would be reversed at the least in my view.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "Makinson is a class winger and has been for some time, but the best way to compare is to imagine how good Makinson would look in the various Trinity teams of the past 6/7 years and how good Johnstone would look in a dominant St Helens team. Certainly the stats would be reversed at the least in my view.'"
Alternately, imagine Johnstone and Makinson in the same team next year
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