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| Quote: Wildthing "It's increasingly looking like our games V Leigh are relegation deciders.
How gloomy, relying on 1 team to be worse than ourselves to stay in SL.'"
A more positive view would be, we are better than one team to stay up
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| Quote: PopTart "I think we are all aware of that now.
What the stats were pointing out is that not every replacement is better.
If we are to replace Chester, it needs to be a good replacement, otherwise (IMO) we are better fighting it out with what we have.'"
Just as a matter of intrest you say bringing in a replacement wouldnt nessaceeraly be better but how could it be worse.credit to you for sticking by the man you love just hope he pulls us out of this .
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| Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "A more positive view would be, we are better than one team to stay up
Are we?
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| Quote: Luppylad "
Again, I'm not sticking with him. I am simply pointing out that he has been good for us in the past, he has suffered a lot of damage to his team plans outside his control and the team seem bonded to try and improve, which they are doing, albeit slowly.
Just putting a less capable coach in place will make things worse.
Agar and Webster being a great example.
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| Quote: homme vaste "Are we?'"
Yes, taking the positive view, rather than the negative one.
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| Quote: djcool "Anyone notice that after his 1st try Gaskell had a Wakefield badge by his name?'"
Surely just an error ???
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| Quote: PopTart "
Agar got us to the play offs in his first season and Webster won 5 and drew 1 of his first 7 games to steer us away from a relegation battle. New coach syndrome more often than not has an effect and i’d take that bounce now. A fresh perspective counts for a lot.
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| Quote: Dunkirk Spirit "A more positive view would be, we are better than one team to stay up
Indeed, but I am really struggling to be positive at this time.
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| Quote: Sacred Cow "
I think you misunderstood.
I was saying Agar was a good coach hounded out and replaced with Webster. It got a boost but he hardly won any more after that burst. So we were back where we started when we replaced him.
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| Quote: PopTart "
Right I get you. But the point remains that the boost saved us from a highly likely relegation battle. I said on here prior to the Leeds game we need to be winning 3 of the next 4 if we want to breathe relatively easy this year, two ad an absolute bare minimum as ling as one is Leigh. If these next 3 games don’t go well then i don’t see us having any option but to make a change, even if that change is one of Poching or Last taking it until the end of the season.
Either way though in my opinion it is time for a change next season. We need new ideas and a fresh outlook. The succession planning should start now whether Chester gets to play out the season or not. 6 seasons is a long time for a coach. A change will do everyone good.
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| Quote: PopTart "I think we are all aware of that now.
What the stats were pointing out is that not every replacement is better.
If we are to replace Chester, it needs to be a good replacement, otherwise (IMO) we are better fighting it out with what we have.'"
What the stats point out to me is that we never build off good seasons and just end up back down the bottom tussling it out for survival for one reason or another. There has never been any consistency with our club has there. It’s very frustrating for all our fans id imagine. If we are looking more likely that we will be battling it out with who ever for relegation then the club will simply have to be seen to do something to avoid that.
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| Quote: Pat Bateman "What the stats point out to me is that we never build off good seasons and just end up back down the bottom tussling it out for survival for one reason or another. There has never been any consistency with our club has there. It’s very frustrating for all our fans id imagine. If we are looking more likely that we will be battling it out with who ever for relegation then the club will simply have to be seen to do something to avoid that.'"
I agree.
I think that comes down to investment.
Peaks of success are difficult to turn into sustained success.
I think it was Webster or maybe Agar that said with the team we are able to field, we have to be at our best to win. Other teams can play at 60% and still do it. We can't.
So sustaining that is really difficult. Unless you can improve the overall quality of the team. (and keep them on the pitch)
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| Quote: PopTart "I agree.
I think that comes down to investment.
Peaks of success are difficult to turn into sustained success.
I think it was Webster or maybe Agar that said with the team we are able to field, we have to be at our best to win. Other teams can play at 60% and still do it. We can't.
So sustaining that is really difficult. Unless you can improve the overall quality of the team. (and keep them on the pitch)'"
Yes absolutely, MC has made it no secret how much we spend on players and where we are up to the salary cap, with a lot of teams spending around £1 million more than us ie marquee Players, home ground player exemptions... etc. Investment is clearly key, but you only have to walk around Wakefield centre to realise it’s Probably not coming any time soon in my opinion. Who are the financial backers of Castleford. Been a very good consistent team for a number of years now, hailing from a small town.
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| Jack Fulton was the Cas chairman until his death a couple of years ago, I believe and I think it's his son now ??
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| Quote: PopTart "I agree.
I think that comes down to investment.
Peaks of success are difficult to turn into sustained success.
I think it was Webster or maybe Agar that said with the team we are able to field, we have to be at our best to win. Other teams can play at 60% and still do it. We can't.
So sustaining that is really difficult. Unless you can improve the overall quality of the team. (and keep them on the pitch)'"
Just to put some context behind the investment in the squad point, in June 2018 we were £330,000 under the salary cap of £2.1 million, around 15% in terms of spend against other clubs (A bit further behind those that are paying for marquee players). I don`t have the figures for 2019 but I do know that we are on record as saying we would be spending closer to the cap in 2019 than we would in 2018 so from that you would maybe say we are somewhere near 10% below the cap?
15/16 we were below that and when Smith left Carter said Brian had the most money to work with out of any coach we have had in the SL era for Wakefield Trinity, so over the last few years in terms of squad investment we are the closest we have ever been to the rest of the league.
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