FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Wakefield Trinity > 5pm
59 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain3678
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 20159 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Others/eye6.gif
:Others/eye6.gif



Big names, and big salaries certainly dont always work out.

What happens if that player on the big salary, spends a while on the sidelines.

Something too has always intrigued me, is if you've say got some players on a certain salary, and you bring in a name who's say, on double that, what is the attitude like in a camp with those on the lower salary, and especially if that player under performs.

I read a piece in Rugby League world I while back, about a championship, or league 1 club, and every player was on identical contracts, to avoid any of that tension.

Going back to new signings, one ones that puts bums on seats, Chester has already said about a top quality NRL player. Were in talks with one, with another quota spot fee too, could either of those be one of them players.

Holding judgement until all recruitment complete

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach13783
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
29100_1291104497.jpg
1/10:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_29100.jpg



Quote: Eastern Wildcat "Big names, and big salaries certainly dont always work out.

What happens if that player on the big salary, spends a while on the sidelines.

Something too has always intrigued me, is if you've say got some players on a certain salary, and you bring in a name who's say, on double that, what is the attitude like in a camp with those on the lower salary, and especially if that player under performs.

I read a piece in Rugby League world I while back, about a championship, or league 1 club, and every player was on identical contracts, to avoid any of that tension.

Going back to new signings, one ones that puts bums on seats, Chester has already said about a top quality NRL player. Were in talks with one, with another quota spot fee too, could either of those be one of them players.

Holding judgement until all recruitment complete'"

Guess it depends on how the star player conducts themselves. I imagine Hastings will be have on a greater wage than his colleagues, but I doubt any of them would begrudge that.

RankPostsTeam
Moderator20983
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200816 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
41119.jpg
A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha:41119.jpg

Moderator


I'd also say if Tom Johnstone and David Fifita don't put bums on seats there aren't many others that will.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain200No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 20195 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jan 2020Jan 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: Eastern Wildcat "Big names, and big salaries certainly dont always work out.

What happens if that player on the big salary, spends a while on the sidelines.

Something too has always intrigued me, is if you've say got some players on a certain salary, and you bring in a name who's say, on double that, what is the attitude like in a camp with those on the lower salary, and especially if that player under performs.

I agree, doesn't do a lot to build team spirit.
An NRL player of some renown would be good, but not at any price and I'm sure the club wouldn't go to that anyway.
I'm quite happy with the way the team building is going already.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2167No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 20186 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2022Mar 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: PopTart "I'd also say if Tom Johnstone and David Fifita don't put bums on seats there aren't many others that will.'"


Agreed, 2017 and 2018 saw us play the best RL I've ever seen, two wingers averaging 20+ a season with plenty of high scoring wins. TJ probably scored the Trinity try of the millennium in 2016. Yet ticket sales did not rise by all that much.

The only way we will really up the attendances is two-fold IMO.

1: A better stadium.

2: Consistent success, ie regular top 5 and at least one piece of silverware. We need that parade up Wood street to wake people up, nothing less will really do it IMHO.

Signing names won't do it. Funny when you think that Salford had the Dr's millions thrown at them and did nothing. This year they were toted as relegation fodder or worse and end up at old Trafford. The lucky signing of Hastings helped massively but it's still a team game and look what happened, it probably saved the club.

We have our own Hastings in TJ and Fifita and if we can get them firing again they are better than any name signing and hopefully, they will lead us to success.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain3678
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 20159 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Others/eye6.gif
:Others/eye6.gif



I think a better, and much improved stadium will help FC, and would be increased even further with a successful season to go with it. Also with the stadium, you will not only get stay away home fans coming back, but even bigger crowds on the away gates too.

I know of fans from different clubs have stopped coming to BV because of the state its in, but an improvement, I'm sure, will bring fans back in, out of curiosity for a start. especially when its took so long in planning.

Would be good to attack it from a different angle to, with some good marketing in the run up

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner5594
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Aug 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6329_1327085433.jpg
...Diagnosing SBD (Sporting Bipolar Disorder) since 2003... Negs bringing down the tone of your forum? Keyboard Bell-endery tiresome? Embarrassed by some of your own fans? Then you need... TheButcher I must be STOPPED!! Vice Chairman of The Scarlet Turkey Clique Grand Wizard Shill of Nibiru Prime & Dark Globe Champion Chairman of 'The Neil Barker School for gifted Clowns' "A Local Forum. For Local People":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6329.jpg



Fwiw, 'big name' signings really only work when success has already happened. They wont convince the stay-away fans enough to buy a season ticket. Salford under Koukash is a great example of this. Flip it over, and success on the pitch really does put bums on seats. Salford this season is a great example of this. Or at least it was at the back-end of this season.

Be careful in hailing a new ground as the catalyst that draws in lapsed fans like moths to flames. Salford, again, a big example of resting on their laurels when we got a shiny new ground. Success on the pitch is really the only tried and tested way to bring fans back and hold onto them, that then becomes the start for all the other things happening.

I know it's been a tough couple of seasons for Wakey, and believe you me when I say I understand where you are all coming from, as I've been there myself. There isn't really a golden ticket for these things, but graft and good decisions being made at crucial times go a long way into getting the ball rolling in the right direction.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2167No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 20186 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2022Mar 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: TheButcher "Fwiw, 'big name' signings really only work when success has already happened. They wont convince the stay-away fans enough to buy a season ticket. Salford under Koukash is a great example of this. Flip it over, and success on the pitch really does put bums on seats. Salford this season is a great example of this. Or at least it was at the back-end of this season.

Be careful in hailing a new ground as the catalyst that draws in lapsed fans like moths to flames. Salford, again, a big example of resting on their laurels when we got a shiny new ground. Success on the pitch is really the only tried and tested way to bring fans back and hold onto them, that then becomes the start for all the other things happening.

I know it's been a tough couple of seasons for Wakey, and believe you me when I say I understand where you are all coming from, as I've been there myself. There isn't really a golden ticket for these things, but graft and good decisions being made at crucial times go a long way into getting the ball rolling in the right direction.'"


Gree completely but must point out that ours is not going to be a new ground, its hopefully going to be a new stand that will help drag a Victorian ground into the 21st century or at least one part of it. It will give us the ability to entertain the sort of people who we simply can't at the moment. So in its way, it should actually increase attendances and certainly revenue, especially if we have some success.

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner5594
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Aug 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6329_1327085433.jpg
...Diagnosing SBD (Sporting Bipolar Disorder) since 2003... Negs bringing down the tone of your forum? Keyboard Bell-endery tiresome? Embarrassed by some of your own fans? Then you need... TheButcher I must be STOPPED!! Vice Chairman of The Scarlet Turkey Clique Grand Wizard Shill of Nibiru Prime & Dark Globe Champion Chairman of 'The Neil Barker School for gifted Clowns' "A Local Forum. For Local People":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6329.jpg



Quote: Fishermanscap "Gree completely but must point out that ours is not going to be a new ground, its hopefully going to be a new stand that will help drag a Victorian ground into the 21st century or at least one part of it. It will give us the ability to entertain the sort of people who we simply can't at the moment. So in its way, it should actually increase attendances and certainly revenue, especially if we have some success.'"


I stand corrected.

Certainly, any improvement will always help going forward, as long as your CEO doesn't then sit back and expect. It needs to be used as something that gets the fans excited again, and that enthusiasm can then be directed and developed.

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2167No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 20186 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2022Mar 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: TheButcher "I stand corrected.

Certainly, any improvement will always help going forward, as long as your CEO doesn't then sit back and expect. It needs to be used as something that gets the fans excited again, and that enthusiasm can then be directed and developed.'"



Shouldn't be a problem as the last major structure built at BV was a programme shed. icon_lol.gif Not strictly true but no permanent stand has been built at BV since the 1950s and that was only a foof over an existing stand as far as I understand it. The old West Stand was Victorian, the still with us East stand and the big terrace behind the sticks Edwardian.

It's ironic but your old ground the Willows decrepit though it was, was considerably more modern than the current BV. Toilets that flush, roofs that don't leak and an unobstructed view alone will be enough to attract people, that's how tragic BV is. icon_sad.gif

RankPostsTeam
Club Owner5594
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 200321 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Oct 2023Aug 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
6329_1327085433.jpg
...Diagnosing SBD (Sporting Bipolar Disorder) since 2003... Negs bringing down the tone of your forum? Keyboard Bell-endery tiresome? Embarrassed by some of your own fans? Then you need... TheButcher I must be STOPPED!! Vice Chairman of The Scarlet Turkey Clique Grand Wizard Shill of Nibiru Prime & Dark Globe Champion Chairman of 'The Neil Barker School for gifted Clowns' "A Local Forum. For Local People":d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6329.jpg



I like BV.

I like the fact that it's old fashioned. A close to the action ground. I love the fact it has history. I loved the Willows and still find it sad to this day that it no longer exists. I suppose progress halts for nobody or anything whether we like it or not.

I wish Wakey all the best as you've always been my second side really. Both teams have shared similar trials and tribulations both on and off the pitch. Good luck for next season.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach15521
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 201015 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2020May 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
50722_1319672516.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50722.jpg



I guess the hope with a revamped BV is two-fold; first and foremost, as FC says, it should provide hospitality facilities that attract a significantly higher value of sponsor and guest than we can currently achieve. In personal experience, when I held a box, I brought some guests who between them had a net worth of over £200 million quid - they found it amusingly quaint, but not something worthy of serious consideration.

Secondly, you'd hope that the hordes of people who show an interest in WT but only from a distance, would come down out of curiosity, and then keep coming because the facilities are significantly improved.

The 2 big levers to pull in terms of income are corporate/sponsors and paying punters - and a properly upgraded stadium *should* have a positive impact on both of those, notwithstanding a big PR effort; they certainly won't come if you don't let them know about it.

RankPostsTeam
International Star2628
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 201212 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Fishermanscap, had we signWestermans 3 year ago would have been happy .But now with is dodge knee that can pop out at any time would not have signed him to much of a gamble to me .Did not know the new signing as had 3 operation on is shoulder .Look what happened last year when we were playing players who ad to play while injured . We did not look good again untill the last 5 games when we had brought 3 new fit players in and we could put 17 fit players on the field. Thought the club would have learnt from this

RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2167No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 20186 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Mar 2022Mar 2022LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature

:



Quote: alegend "Fishermanscap, had we signWestermans 3 year ago would have been happy .But now with is dodge knee that can pop out at any time would not have signed him to much of a gamble to me .Did not know the new signing as had 3 operation on is shoulder .Look what happened last year when we were playing players who ad to play while injured . We did not look good again untill the last 5 games when we had brought 3 new fit players in and we could put 17 fit players on the field. Thought the club would have learnt from this'"


Sorry but you're just making it up to sort your agenda. Westermans knee doesn't pop out at any time, do you not think we have medical tests before signing players.

More importantly, where does the money come from, are you coughing up? We have half a dozen players on our books who'd get a game at most SL clubs, what do you think we pay them in washers?

No team can sustain a team of stars, despite your pessimism we have a very good collection of top players but there are limits. I think you just have an issue that no signing would help, as pointed out you were having a hissy at the loss of Hampshire and now we have him. You need to get a bit more realistic, as the rest of us seem to be.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach9067
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Oct 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
23603_1336678755.jpg
"Look, I'd never use injuries as an excuse..." Daryl Powell:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_23603.jpg





59 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing
59 posts in 5 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, PopTart , kinleycat , Wildthing



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


2.859375:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
8m
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
5
9m
Film game
Boss Hog
4966
36m
England Vs Samoa Test Series
ArthurClues
71
Recent
IMG Score
Bent&Bon
59
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Hessle Roade
3635
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3484
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
The games af
40
Recent
New Kit
MorePlaymake
57
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
25s
Film game
Boss Hog
4966
42s
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
5
43s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62909
2m
Aston Banned
MP
5
3m
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
3m
IMG Score
Bent&Bon
59
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40438
4m
2025 Recruitment
Highlander
155
5m
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
9
12m
2025 Shirt
MR FRISK
10
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
5
TODAY
England Beat Samoa To Take Test Series
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
TODAY
Englands Women Demolish The Welsh
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
Big lads mat
9
TODAY
2025 Shirt
MR FRISK
10
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
9
TODAY
Sky tv deals
ninearches
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Lord Tony Sm
24
TODAY
New Kit
MorePlaymake
57
TODAY
Memorable Games
Rugby Raider
6
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
moto748
11
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
The games af
40
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
24
TODAY
The Aussies are coming
Bullseye
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa Comfortably In First Test
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
England v Samoa
Captain Hook
33
TODAY
England vs Samoa
NickyKiss
88
TODAY
Trinity back on super league forum
RoyBoy29
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Maika Sivo - Expires 2028
batleyrhino
36
TODAY
Danny McGuire new head coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
What happens now
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Liam Kay
Wollo-Wollo-
53
TODAY
Coach announced
The Dors
14
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
260
England's Women Demolish The W..
246
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
636
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
487
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
631
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1262
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1482
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1757
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1332
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1606
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
1958
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1539
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1632
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1743
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1965
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.64M +11,304 80,15414,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
There are currently no matches to display.
Matches on TV
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024 3 England M34-16Samoa M
WINT2024 2 ENGLAND W82-0WALES W
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024 2 England M34-18Samoa M
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
8m
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
5
9m
Film game
Boss Hog
4966
36m
England Vs Samoa Test Series
ArthurClues
71
Recent
IMG Score
Bent&Bon
59
Recent
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Hessle Roade
3635
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3484
Recent
Pre Season - 2025
The games af
40
Recent
New Kit
MorePlaymake
57
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
25s
Film game
Boss Hog
4966
42s
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
5
43s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62909
2m
Aston Banned
MP
5
3m
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
3m
IMG Score
Bent&Bon
59
3m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40438
4m
2025 Recruitment
Highlander
155
5m
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
9
12m
2025 Shirt
MR FRISK
10
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Its all gone a bit quiet
BigTime
5
TODAY
England Beat Samoa To Take Test Series
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
McMeekan
Trojan Horse
13
TODAY
Englands Women Demolish The Welsh
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Lee Kershaw
Big lads mat
9
TODAY
2025 Shirt
MR FRISK
10
TODAY
Home Shirt 2025
MattyB
1
TODAY
Uele contract extension
Khlav Kalash
5
TODAY
Squad for Match 2 v Samoa
rubber ducki
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 2
Boss Hog
9
TODAY
Sky tv deals
ninearches
6
TODAY
2024/25 out of season mind occupier 1
Lord Tony Sm
24
TODAY
New Kit
MorePlaymake
57
TODAY
Memorable Games
Rugby Raider
6
TODAY
Hybrid rugby
moto748
11
TODAY
Pre Season - 2025
The games af
40
TODAY
England v Australia
karetaker
24
TODAY
The Aussies are coming
Bullseye
17
TODAY
England Beat Samoa Comfortably In First Test
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
England v Samoa
Captain Hook
33
TODAY
England vs Samoa
NickyKiss
88
TODAY
Trinity back on super league forum
RoyBoy29
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Maika Sivo - Expires 2028
batleyrhino
36
TODAY
Danny McGuire new head coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
What happens now
Start@1873
3
TODAY
Liam Kay
Wollo-Wollo-
53
TODAY
Coach announced
The Dors
14
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
260
England's Women Demolish The W..
246
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
636
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
487
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
631
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1262
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
1482
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
1757
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1332
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
1606
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
1958
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
1539
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
1632
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
1743
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1965


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!