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Didn't realise that if Toronto had have been prompted they couldn't have played an home game till may cos of Canadian winter

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Quote: cosmicat "Didn't realise that if Toronto had have been prompted they couldn't have played an home game till may cos of Canadian winter'"

They were going to take their home games on the road in Europe.

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Quote: wakeytrin "They were going to take their home games on the road in Europe.'"


It does beg the question about what their fans want/expect in the longer term.
IF they gain promotion and have to play 3/4 "home" games elsewhere, their home fans are getting desperately short changed, with only 9 ? home games to watch and lets face it, they aren't going to travel to too many away games.

The climate over there isn't going to change, therefore, they will be signing up for 3/4 of a season d040.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "It does beg the question about what their fans want/expect in the longer term.
IF they gain promotion and have to play 3/4 "home" games elsewhere, their home fans are getting desperately short changed, with only 9 ? home games to watch and lets face it, they aren't going to travel to too many away games.

The climate over there isn't going to change, therefore, they will be signing up for 3/4 of a season
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Personally pleased they didn't make it.
Hope they don't next year.
If they want RL then they should start their own league.
It's too ridiculous for words, to see them as part of our SL, and so typical of the RL to think this is the right way to expand the game.

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Quote: Trinity1315 "Personally pleased they didn't make it.
Hope they don't next year.
If they want RL then they should start their own league.
It's too ridiculous for words, to see them as part of our SL, and so typical of the RL to think this is the right way to expand the game.'"

Totally agree

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Quote: Trinity1315 "Personally pleased they didn't make it.
Hope they don't next year.
If they want RL then they should start their own league.
It's too ridiculous for words, to see them as part of our SL, and so typical of the RL to think this is the right way to expand the game.'"


This. If Toronto were an hours flight away like Catalans, I'd have no problem.8 or so hours is ridiculous:

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Quote: Trinity1315 "Personally pleased they didn't make it.
Hope they don't next year.
If they want RL then they should start their own league.
It's too ridiculous for words, to see them as part of our SL, and so typical of the RL to think this is the right way to expand the game.'"

Totally agree with this. Is it even an expansion? How many Canadians are in the Toronto team?

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Quote: Trinity1315 "Personally pleased they didn't make it.
Hope they don't next year.
If they want RL then they should start their own league.
It's too ridiculous for words, to see them as part of our SL, and so typical of the RL to think this is the right way to expand the game.'"


Spot on Trinity. I agree 100%. If Rugby League is what they want then start their own league and play their games on an alternate home and away basis like the rest of us. Haven't they heard of underground heating over there?

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Quote: metallicat "Totally agree with this. Is it even an expansion? How many Canadians are in the Toronto team?'"


I guess you could have argued that about catalans and London. Even now all the pivotal positions (1, 6, 7, 9, 13) at Catalans are mostly occupied by non-french players in their games.

Give them time and they will produce their own as Catalans and London have

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Quote: TheMightyTrin "I guess you could have argued that about catalans and London. Even now all the pivotal positions (1, 6, 7, 9, 13) at Catalans are mostly occupied by non-french players in their games.

Give them time and they will produce their own as Catalans and London have'"

No Canadians in their team and still failed so I’m sure there’s not going to be any in what you believe is the not too distant future. I think it’s back to the drawing board and get the cheque book out, I’ll be gob smacked if any are involved if they pursue super League ambitions.

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Quote: Big lads mate "No Canadians in their team and still failed so I’m sure there’s not going to be any in what you believe is the not too distant future. I think it’s back to the drawing board and get the cheque book out, I’ll be gob smacked if any are involved if they pursue super League ambitions.'"


This is the real issue for ANY overseas expansion clubs.

Unless they are ultra successful or, can somehow convince schools and clubs to take up RL, they will never produce their own players, which just leaves them as a team of mercenaries pulling on a shirt.
They could be successful while they are winning plenty of games but, they have to have some roots, which will help create genuine interest in the game if not, as soon as the going gets tough they risk disappearing into the ether and we've had enough of those clubs already.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "This is the real issue for ANY overseas expansion clubs.

Unless they are ultra successful or, can somehow convince schools and clubs to take up RL, they will never produce their own players, which just leaves them as a team of mercenaries pulling on a shirt.
They could be successful while they are winning plenty of games but, they have to have some roots, which will help create genuine interest in the game if not, as soon as the going gets tough they risk disappearing into the ether and we've had enough of those clubs already.'"


It's a strong argument for slowly building, rather than trying to buy instant success; but if you're a wealthy backer with an eye on future revenue, why would you do that, unless you've got Elon Musk levels of spare cash and you just happen to love RL - an unlikely combination in any part of the world, let alone North America, where you have no cultural or historical connection to the game.

I'm very much in favour of expansion - but it has to be done right; by all means put together a team of all-stars to demo the product, but at the same time, launch a community league, promote the game in schools in and around your local area, set up scholarships and an academy and promote the sport as a spectacle. If you don't, it's very much a short term project that is built on sand; wealthy backer fails in his bid for instant success - pulls out - everything collapses in a heap.

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Quote: bren2k "It's a strong argument for slowly building, rather than trying to buy instant success; but if you're a wealthy backer with an eye on future revenue, why would you do that, unless you've got Elon Musk levels of spare cash and you just happen to love RL - an unlikely combination in any part of the world, let alone North America, where you have no cultural or historical connection to the game.

I'm very much in favour of expansion - but it has to be done right; by all means put together a team of all-stars to demo the product, but at the same time, launch a community league, promote the game in schools in and around your local area, set up scholarships and an academy and promote the sport as a spectacle. If you don't, it's very much a short term project that is built on sand; wealthy backer fails in his bid for instant success - pulls out - everything collapses in a heap.'"


And therein lies the problem.
Will schools and clubs in N. America adopt RL as a new sport, in an already overflowing myriad of sports to occupy young people ?

It's a real tricky on because, IF there was a way of bringing Canada and The USA on board with our sport, even if it was a peripheral pastime, it could catapult the games profile way higher than anything we could do in the UK but, its a huge IF and despite Eric Perez enthusiasm and drive (assuming he's still involved), I dont think it can ever work and that's before we talk about the rights and wrongs of these clubs being involved in "our" comp.
They have done remarkably well to generate the level of support for a sport which is totally alien to them but, it looks doomed to fail.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "And therein lies the problem.
Will schools and clubs in N. America adopt RL as a new sport, in an already overflowing myriad of sports to occupy young people ?

It's a real tricky on because, IF there was a way of bringing Canada and The USA on board with our sport, even if it was a peripheral pastime, it could catapult the games profile way higher than anything we could do in the UK but, its a huge IF and despite Eric Perez enthusiasm and drive (assuming he's still involved), I dont think it can ever work and that's before we talk about the rights and wrongs of these clubs being involved in "our" comp.
They have done remarkably well to generate the level of support for a sport which is totally alien to them but, it looks doomed to fail.'"


You say that - *but* - hasn't American Football taken quite a foothold over here? It's aired on TV, there are teams at several levels and it seems to have entered the sporting pantheon for many people - so it is possible. Granted - the NFL has a much more sophisticated marketing machine - and shedloads more cash than the RFL could ever dream of - but it does demonstrate that a 'new' sport can be introduced into a market with good effect.

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