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| What's Eric Pickles doing these days?
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "The council have publicly stated they would fund a whole new stadium, irrespective whether Trinity would be part of it. Funnily enough I've not seen them mention it again.
Whilst YC solicitor's have played their card on this I can't help think it's limited to this development alone and the proposed funding mechanism. No doubt they will push planning law to show why they are not legally obliged to contribute to the community facilities but I'm sure the council could revert the change in classification of the site back to greenbelt as the facilities were the only reason it was deemed appropriate to build on it in the first place.'"
That would surely only be the case though if the developer was found to be in breach of its responsibilties. Should they throw the kitchen sink at the legal process and find one of the many sub-clauses and loopholes that absolves it of any need to build a stadium then the council wouldn’t have any recourse to change the classification back.
Here’s how i see it panning out. The council actually refuses the application based on the lack of community facility contribution. Yorkcourt take powerful legal action and using one of the aforementioned get-out clauses get the descison overturned after the council, repeatedly reminding everyone how cash-strapped they are, meekly defend themselves in court. Yorkcourt crack on with developing the Newmarket site without paying a penny towards the stadium and with no funding forthcoming 88M kick us out of Belle Vue and redevelop it for something more profitable than a rugby ground, possibly including a MUGA pitch or two to get around a couple of planning clauses and funded by renting to Wakey College. Wakefield Trinity are screwed, Yorkcourt get rich and the council makes a mint through the extra business rates.
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| Does anyone remember not so long ago, cllr Box being under pressure from the national press & conservatives pressure, he bent with the wind. He held an open invitation to the press & supporters to be present in a full meeting of the council in the county ball council chamber. He made statements that day that he held forecourt to agreements & saved papers he said he had agreements with forecourt to change the unilateral 106 agreement to a full local authority 106 agreement & await further developments above the aggregate figure. He stated forecourt agreed but because of confidentiality saving the papers he could not make them public.
Everyone thought great now we are getting somewhere !
Time has shown lies and deceit -- after the meeting i spoke to the conservative councilors and they said they would monitor and keep up the pressure ! Well here we are, game time now ??? !!! GAME ON
My one regret in all this is that our brilliant owner Michael Carter who is the best owner we have had but listened to others & deflected him from buying belle vue. He would have owned the land & therefore have a ''fixed asset'' to develop or make liquid for funds of a new ground. He did nothing wrong but trust people speaking lies to put him off.
My main point/s to this is use all actions & in-actions including this episode against them because they can be proven, recorded ( WAKEY express ) & council minutes of meeting to show their miss behaviour. !!
Problems are courts are costly & you can win the Ratio decidendi, which pleases the plaintiff - Trinity, but the guilty party being a civil matter still don't pay & close the business change name & still trade.
We are in a strong position to prove & a week position to a positive productive outcome.
I would however maximize publicity to degrade their public standing to ziltch..
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| Has anyone updated Aaron Bower yet...he seems to be one of the few fighting our corner ??
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "What's Eric Pickles doing these days?'"
Wrting is autobiography " Pies i have known and loved"
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| Guys, just hang fire. The Trust has instructed its Lawyers and at the appropriate time we will launch a crowd funding platform to raise the funding to take legal action if that is what our legal team advise.
Rest assured we will not give up the fight.
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| Quote: Sandal Cat "Guys, just hang fire. The Trust has instructed its Lawyers and at the appropriate time we will launch a crowd funding platform to raise the funding to take legal action if that is what our legal team advise.
Rest assured we will not give up the fight.'"
Thanks Sandal Cat. This whole debacle leaves an extremely bitter taste in the mouth.
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| I have a terrible feeling that my ever unreliable car is going to have a serious breakdown on my commute home. I really worry that even though I'll be able to pull off a major A road, it will end up breaking down in the middle of an industrial estate road. This would obviously be a shocking event, and even after attempting to fix it for a while, I'll still be in the middle of this road when the AA van turns up. I truly hope that this breakdown doesn't affect wagons accessing their facilities. I also hope it doesn't happen repeatedly in the same place as that would be awful
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "What's Eric Pickles doing these days?'"
House of Lords, Baron Pickles of Brentwood - Lord Pickles
in short, probably not a lot
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| If we don’t get a community stadium in the City of Wakefield are we going for a judicial review in the councils incompetence of not enforcing the 106 correctly. Is this letter from Yorkcourts solicitor confirming they’ve not enforced the section 106 correctly?
Up the Trin
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| I am not a cllr Box fan, but he did make a public statement about Yorkcourt, I quote "" Yorkcourt have no intention of providing a stadium, they should walk away, we can then look to someone else to provide one'' unquote, therefore what do we believe now ? ?
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| Quote: TrinTrin "I am not a cllr Box fan, but he did make a public statement about Yorkcourt, I quote "" Yorkcourt have no intention of providing a stadium, they should walk away, we can then look to someone else to provide one'' unquote, therefore what do we believe now ? ?'"
Box had his fingers crossed at the time he said this.
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| Is anyone thinking about objecting to the letter? Adding comments?
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| I have instructed my solicitors to inform you that I am the love child of Elvis Presley.
The above statement has the same validity as that of Yorkcourt solicitors statement.
If you pay them enough they will say it but it doesn’t make it correct or even mean they believe it.
Yorkcourt are fishing, they are testing the resolve of the opposition. They are doing so because the opposition is annoying them by stopping them doing what they do best - buy ridiculously cheap then sell at huge profits.
However there comes a point where they need to move the goods and it looks like we are now at that point. To me this is a good thing because at least we know where we stand and can fight fire with fire.
That site has great value and if Yorkcourt can’t make it work it won’t be long before they are under pressure from those who can and who in turn may be a little more reasonable.
Also as an aside Box is now under real pressure for numerous reasons so hopefully this will only speed his demise.
So not bad news imho.
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| I imagine the council will eventually just throw their hands up and say 'sorry, our fault' (probably some blanket statement, not Box obviously) and blame it on some error in not seeing the loopholes in the original agreement. Then say legally there's nothing to stop Yorkcourt with other applications and just carry on letting them do what they wish. The council gets the blame and labeled inept which we already know, and nothing changes...
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