Haha go enjoy the moment over on the Widnes thread created, don’t comment on a thread created specifically about a player and someone’s view on him just because you don’t think it should be said.

I am glad put the bit about him not being super league standard though.

Apologies for not having anything negative to say about Keegan Hirst, as for Cheshire and vasty I'm not sure how they'll respond to being accused of talking drivel by the actual King of drivel on RLfans

Well, looks like you've won that one. !

Homme vast is correct. Keegan does lose possession too frequently and he is not sl standard IMO. And that part has not improved in one and a half seasons.

Keegan started this season really well and was one of the best props for a couple of games but he has gone off the boil a bit recently. His technique when he runs the ball in is a little strange and his catching technique as well which results in a few errors.

Some times I wonder if people smoke crack before coming on here

I've not looked at the sats but I don't believe keegan drops the ball more than any one else

He absolutely is a SL standard player and I'm very glad he is signed to wakefield trinity

He does I’m afraid watch Trinity TV. It’s not so much the knock ins it’s how many are unforced, seriously it’s dire. Just watch the last game against Cas he dropped two cold and put us totally on the back foot and was quickly withdrawn.

In every other respect I’d say he probably is just about SL standard but not being able to retain the ball is a real issue.

He clearly knows he has an issue because if you watch him he has a very odd way of taking the ball as if he’s going through a process.

I understand why many people want Keegan to succeed for various reasons. However despite being a superb physical specimen he’s spent nearly all his career in the lower leagues and I suspect this is the reason why.

Just my opinion it’s not the heroin talking

I think you're dead right here.

On both counts, especially the first one.

I've looked at the stats. As always you can make them show what you want to show but, on the basis of errors per carry, Hirst makes the same as Ashurst and fewer than England and Pauli Pauli. For comparison, Miller makes more errors per carry than Hirst and BJB makes more than twice as many! Supporters might have their own reasons for being down on Hirst but, "making too many errors" shouldn't be one of them. Personally, I think he adds an extra element when he comes and is one of the few players always looking to create chances with the offload.

I like Keegan and I think he is well worth his place.

I think the dropped ball thing has come because he can sometimes drop as an unforced error. PP is the same. Neither are bad enough to not play them but both could work on ball security, as I'm sure they do.
Miller as an example has much more difficult passes to catch in more difficult positions.

I've said this in the past, apart from Fifita I don't think we really have any ball playing forwards. Huby usually offers a decent offloading game but England, Hirst, Arona and even Baldwinson (from what I've seen) all seem to be just a one trick pony where as in other sides you see forwards getting involved in the plays.

Not a bad thing I guess, they're in the side to make the metres and lay the fundamentals for the backs.

I don't think the game really has any ball playing forwards these days. Sure there are players who can 'offload' a pass but they are not ball players.

When I think of ball playing forwards I think of such as Bill Ashurst, Jim Fiddler, Harry Pinner, Mick Adams and the last great ball handling forward produced in the UK , Lee Crooks. The last one I've seen in a Wakefield shirt who could fall into the category is David Solomona. The game has changed and is now more based on power and strength.

Danny Sculthorpe

Bill Ashurst was better on one leg than most modern day forward s. He didn't need to make any hard yards. He just attracted 3 or 4 defenders then slipped the ball to a back who shot through the gap in the defence he had created.