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| Quote: bellycouldtackle "I just hope that Hussain is as big a knob as I think he is and doent allow us to stay at BV for a single day longer than current agreement which I think runs out on 31 December. Then at last we can get the hell out of BV and Wakefield.'"
I'm all for that, rather than hanging about if there's nothing s Belle Vue for us let's get gone. Unless theres still room for negotiation long term.
Up the Trin
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| Why would, ‘if it was feasible’ , a developed Dewsbury ground make you pack in Trinity 1315 ?
It’s only just outside the Wakefield boundary and more or less as near to the city centre as Newmarket.
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| Moving to Dewsbury would not be the end for me.
It is only about 300-400 metres from the boundary.
I would also be tempted, to move Wakefield's community work away from WMDC, it would upset some, and possibly some on here.
At the end of the day, without taking this forum back to politics, we are all pretty much of the same agreement that WMDC have not been very helpful. but at the end of the day, how many of our fans will continue to vote them in.
If Kirklees council are willing to accommodate us, then why not do some of out community work within Kirklees
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| If all things were equal I would rather stay in the City. But, we know that Box will never let up in his endeavours to crush our club and he wields so much power we are in a no win situation. I'm looking forward to breaking away from the noose that is Belle Vue.
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| Quote: thebeagle "Why would, ‘if it was feasible’ , a developed Dewsbury ground make you pack in Trinity 1315 ?
It’s only just outside the Wakefield boundary and more or less as near to the city centre as Newmarket.'"
I am just of the opinion that if we went to Dewsbury permanently then eventually a lot of supporters from Wakefield will simply abstain.
If we want to maintain SL status (which of course we do) we need bigger crowds really than we are getting now, and certainly not less, which I feel would be the case at Dewsbury and then the championship beckons and as interest fades - who knows?
Please don't think the supporters we have will up sticks and go en bloc to Dewsbury because that won't happen.
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| Quote: Trinity1315 "I am just of the opinion that if we went to Dewsbury permanently then eventually a lot of supporters from Wakefield will simply abstain.
If we want to maintain SL status (which of course we do) we need bigger crowds really than we are getting now, and certainly not less, which I feel would be the case at Dewsbury and then the championship beckons and as interest fades - who knows?
Please don't think the supporters we have will up sticks and go en bloc to Dewsbury because that won't happen.'"
I feel the same. A permanent move out of the city/surrounding area will be the death of the club. I just don't see how operating out of Dewsbury will allow the club to grow in any way to offset the loss of the core support with new fans. Ultimately new RL fans in Wakefield will no longer have a home team to support so out of the choices nearby they will probably support Leeds.
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| All this talk of "let's move to Dewsbury,..... only 400m away from Wakefield.... Permanent home for Trinity etc etc." Has anybody thought that the Deswbury fans might not want us there any longer than a season.?Are we all so pompous to think that WT have a right to become permanently esconced there. We're not interested in ground sharing with Cas so why should Dewsbury fans want to share a ground with us?
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| Quote: Redscat "All this talk of "let's move to Dewsbury,..... only 400m away from Wakefield.... Permanent home for Trinity etc etc." Has anybody thought that the Deswbury fans might not want us there any longer than a season.?Are we all so pompous to think that WT have a right to become permanently esconced there. We're not interested in ground sharing with Cas so why should Dewsbury fans want to share a ground with us?'"
Yep also a consideration. I don't get what Dewsbury would get out of Trinity being their permanently either, especially if Trinity were to take a share in their ground.
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| A move out of Belle Vue without a signed and sealed, water tight contract to return to the City of Wakefield in a Super League standard stadium is a virtual death sentence for the club.
Firstly, by all accounts the RFL have ruled Dewsbury is acceptable for 1 year only, what then if there’s no deal to return to Wakefield in a Community Stadium
Secondly, if we intend to stay at The Tetleys Stadium who’s going to pay for the multi million pound upgrade to bring it up to standard.
Lastly, if neither the building of a Community Stadium or an upgrade of Tetleys Stadium is going to happen and staying at Belle View isn’t possible then maintaining Super League status looks unlikely if not impossible.
If that’s to be the case it becomes imperative that we stay in the District and find somewhere to play Championship or Championship 1 fixtures.
The alternative is to turn the lights off, send some memorabilia to Wakefield museum and consign Wakefield Trinity to the history books alongside Wakefield Rugby Union Club.
So for those advocating the hard line and giving Wakefield Council the middle finger, I would say stop and think again. Swinton & Oldham should act as cautionary tales to anyone advocating a move out of the City with no plan to return.
Maybe it’s already too late!
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| Quote: Trinity1315 "I am just of the opinion that if we went to Dewsbury permanently then eventually a lot of supporters from Wakefield will simply abstain.
If we want to maintain SL status (which of course we do) we need bigger crowds really than we are getting now, and certainly not less, which I feel would be the case at Dewsbury and then the championship beckons and as interest fades - who knows?
Please don't think the supporters we have will up sticks and go en bloc to Dewsbury because that won't happen.'"
No matter how many scenarios i play in my head, this is what I come back to. All this lets move out of the City to Dewsbury, screw em thing is alright in principle, if we had a stadium big enough and an agreement that we can remain viable as a business but also improve both in support numbers but in sponsorship and hospitality etc, I just can't see that at Dewsbury personally. But at the end of the day it's Dewsbury's ground and they'll be happy with the size of the stadium for their needs and won't want the big City neigbours messing anything up unless at a guess, we can provide Capital ourselves to improve on what they've got.
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| Unbelievable some posts on here. We are Wakefield Trinity. Only thing in the city im proud of now along with the cathedral thats it.
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| Quote: The Avenger "A move out of Belle Vue without a signed and sealed, water tight contract to return to the City of Wakefield in a Super League standard stadium is a virtual death sentence for the club.
Firstly, by all accounts the RFL have ruled Dewsbury is acceptable for 1 year only, what then if there’s no deal to return to Wakefield in a Community Stadium
Secondly, if we intend to stay at The Tetleys Stadium who’s going to pay for the multi million pound upgrade to bring it up to standard.
Lastly, if neither the building of a Community Stadium or an upgrade of Tetleys Stadium is going to happen and staying at Belle View isn’t possible then maintaining Super League status looks unlikely if not impossible.
If that’s to be the case it becomes imperative that we stay in the District and find somewhere to play Championship or Championship 1 fixtures.
The alternative is to turn the lights off, send some memorabilia to Wakefield museum and consign Wakefield Trinity to the history books alongside Wakefield Rugby Union Club.
So for those advocating the hard line and giving Wakefield Council the middle finger, I would say stop and think again. Swinton & Oldham should act as cautionary tales to anyone advocating a move out of the City with no plan to return.
Maybe it’s already too late!'"
I think you've answered your own point. It is in many ways to late and I suspect you're possibly right about moving out of the area.
However you're fundamentally wrong on one point. It is not Trinity ie the club, it's fans or indeed the Trust who are giving the miidle finger it's WMDC. If ou can't see that or you think there is any room left for negotiations with WMDC then you are mistaken.
THEY DO NOT WANT US, THEY HATE US - END OF.
I have to ask why people would question the motives of those involved - not saying you are.
I can just and I mean JUST about see how some weird conspiracy involving MC and CB gaining something from all this might work though personally I find the idea presposterous and insulting.
The Trust however have absolutely nothing to gain personally and everything to lose. Standing up and fighting WMDC in the courts was the last thing any of them ever wanted. These are not hot heads, that's one of the reasons I'm no longer active in SWAG - I'd have swung for Box by now (though I'd have probably missed because I'm not a very good fighter )
TRB and IA by nature are clam people, beyond reasonable on occasions - this is not natural territory for them and absolutely not what they wanted.
However they have a case and they have the guts and the desire to carry it through - THAT IS NOT STICKING UP THE MIDDLE FINGER!
The Dewsbury thing is clearly a fall back, we have to have one but I agree it's hard to see any positives in moving there if things reamain as they are.
It sums RL up for the ludicrous sport it's become that the governing body would bite MC's hand off to take his club to Birmingham where the club would probably last a season. Yet they wont let us play 400 meters outside the bounderies of a city that has a good core support and a potentially massive one - it's cretinous IMO.
We are being squeezed in every direction and we have few friends. Is it any wonder that people are angry when the RFL bought the 'iconic' Odsal but never offered to buy the oldest RL ground in the country - how bent is our sport!
No I'm sorry this is it, do or die. We have to back MC and CB and the Trust no matter what even if it's blindly on occasions because they are the only chance we have - and it's a slim one imho.
The one hope we have is that Box is a bully. He's OK in Council and behind the scenes running his corrupt empire. Court though is a different place. There he is nothing, less than nothing. He can't lie and bully in court. There are no yes men or lackies there, every statement he makes will be torn to shreds - personally I will love to see him squirm in court and with a little luck he may even break. The guy is rotten to the core and we have seen very recently what happens to those sort when their ego takes them to far out of their comfort zone.
We are a dying man, a dangerous opponent - we have nothing to lose. I don't say this lightly and if it's settled out of Court I'd be delighted but i mean it all the same, BRING IT ON.
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| Quote: vastman "I think you've answered your own point. It is in many ways to late and I suspect you're possibly right about moving out of the area.
However you're fundamentally wrong on one point. It is not Trinity ie the club, it's fans or indeed the Trust who are giving the miidle finger it's WMDC. If ou can't see that or you think there is any room left for negotiations with WMDC then you are mistaken.
THEY DO NOT WANT US, THEY HATE US - END OF.
I have to ask why people would question the motives of those involved - not saying you are.
I can just and I mean JUST about see how some weird conspiracy involving MC and CB gaining something from all this might work though personally I fbnind the idea presposterous and insulting.
The Trust however have absolutely nothing to gain personally and everything to lose. Standing up and fighting WMDC in the courts was the last thing any of them ever wanted. These are not hot heads, that's one of the reasons I'm no longer active in SWAG - I'd have swung for Box by now (though I'd have probably missed because I'm not a very good fighter
My reference was to a number of fans who’ve basically said “F em, lets go to Dewsbury” but isn’t limited to just them it’s to anyone and all involved who think that’s the way to go.
The answer when Jaw Jaw breaks down isn’t War War or Law Law, there are no winners in that scenario, even if we get a favourable decision some years from now. The answer despite everyone being tired, frustrated and untrusting is more Jaw Jaw, go back and pull your seat out sit down and keep talking because the alternative is so far from winning that it’s no alternative at all.
Maybe the threat of High Court action is a negotiation position and if so it’s now been countered by Box’s statement that WMDC will vehemently defend themselves in Court. Now that both sides have publicly curled their fists up its time to pull the chair out again. Box stated in Council Chambers that he wanted Trinity to come back and negotiate, whether he’s genuine or not, if we choose not to then he once again looks like the bigger man while to anyone but fans, Trinity look uncooperative and unreasonable.
There’s no criticism, implied or otherwise, of anyone in what I’m saying!
I’m stating my opinion based on what’s in the Public Domaine
In my opinion there’s very little to be gained by leaving for Dewsbury with no secure plans to return and everything to lose.
If anyone thinks that we won’t become the next Swinton or Oldham and that RL won’t allow us to fall that far you’re kidding yourselves.
Other than that it’s back to the Euro lottery and crossed fingers
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| Quote: The Avenger "My reference was to a number of fans who’ve basically said “F em, lets go to Dewsbury” but isn’t limited to just them it’s to anyone and all involved who think that’s the way to go.
[sizeThe answer when Jaw Jaw breaks down isn’t War War or Law Law,[/size there are no winners in that scenario, even if we get a favourable decision some years from now. The answer despite everyone being tired, frustrated and untrusting is more Jaw Jaw, go back and pull your seat out sit down and keep talking because the alternative is so far from winning that it’s no alternative at all.
Maybe the threat of High Court action is a negotiation position and if so it’s now been countered by Box’s statement that WMDC will vehemently defend themselves in Court. Now that both sides have publicly curled their fists up its time to pull the chair out again. Box stated in Council Chambers that he wanted Trinity to come back and negotiate, whether he’s genuine or not, if we choose not to then he once again looks like the bigger man while to anyone but fans, Trinity look uncooperative and unreasonable.
There’s no criticism, implied or otherwise, of anyone in what I’m saying!
I’m stating my opinion based on what’s in the Public Domaine
In my opinion there’s very little to be gained by leaving for Dewsbury with no secure plans to return and everything to lose.
If anyone thinks that we won’t become the next Swinton or Oldham and that RL won’t allow us to fall that far you’re kidding yourselves.
Other than that it’s back to the Euro lottery and crossed fingers'"
If they are not the answer then what is rolling over and dying - sorry but that's nonesense. I'd give you and others more credibility if you ever offered an alternative but you don't.
So nows your chance - your in charge - what do we do?
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| Quote: vastman "If they are not the answer then what is rolling over and dying - sorry but that's nonesense. I'd give you and others more credibility if you ever offered an alternative but you don't.
So nows your chance - your in charge - what do we do?'"
You mean ‘in your opinion’ its “nonsense”
I don’t agree with you because the alternative leads to nowhere but the end of the club as we know it or maybe just the end of the club.
“If I ever offered an alternative” you talk as if I’ve been a constant critic of others in some way, however and this may be a shock to you but I don’t seek or need your approval.
My alternative?
I just told you
Sit down and keep talking!
If you think that’s “rolling over and dying” then that’s your opinion and your problem. The alternative is to move out of Wakefield with no plan to return and there are clear examples of what that will probably lead to. I therefore prefer my alternative!
I’m as fed up as anyone with the politicking, back channelling, fork tongued statements, half truths and lies but unless someone’s got a master plan that we don’t know about yet then getting back around the table is still the best way forward.
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