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BJB straight back in against his old side. After both games CC has talked about MCB needing to work on his defence so this wouldn't be a surprise

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Quote: vastman "Not surprised England was dropped, not a criticism but I did think he looked off the pace a bit after a long injury.

Batchelor nice little run out but you can't leave out Kirmond after the Saints game.

Very sad for Lyne, isn't that typical a player starts to find the best form of his career then bang he's out.'"

England has picked up another injury by all accounts.

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Quote: vastman "Gibson is the closest to a traditional centre we have. The debate rages on whether you need a creative centre or a powerhouse who drives the ball out instead depending on the halfbacks to find the cut out ball as was Tim Smith speciality.

Personally I think both work if done correctly. There was nothing special about Australia's centre play in the recent internationals but their power alone blew us away. I agree the old way looked prettier but there must be a reason why centres are rarely used that way anymore.'"


I've nothing against powerful centres, but we've some for the first time in a while we have some genuine quality on wings and it seems a shame they don't get enough ball.

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Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "I've nothing against powerful centres, but we've some for the first time in a while we have some genuine quality on wings and it seems a shame they don't get enough ball.'"


I'm going to get ripped for saying this but as your aware I don't care.

Yes our centre are not overly creative but IMHO they are not the culprits.

Ive said it umpteen times before and I'll say it again, it all stops at Miller and his 'yip' as I call it.

He is a devastating player on occasions and now the pitches are firm a first choice for me.

However he still has a huge flaw in his game and I'm not alone in spotting it. Though in fairness he's no longer the horror story he was a few years back so he's working on it.

For me he struggles to promote the ball quickly either left or right and nearly always opts for a short hospital pass when a cut out pass out wide is available. It's not that he hasn't spotted it, it's seems to be his fluidity that is the issue. By the time he's made his choice the moment is over, hence the short pass or he just runs into a wall of defenders - he's also got a very jerky passing style, compare him to William's or Finn and you'll see - hence the yip and hence Ashurst getting clattered ten times a game. Now maybe Ashurst needs to look at the lines he's running and compensate but tbh I can't see him doing much wrong.

What makes it really annoying is if you look at our last try Miller did it all spot on which is why I think he got as excited as he did - he can do it and if he did it more often we'd score two or more extra tries a game IMHO and a fair few will be wingers tries from deep which are always great to watch. Against Salford we should of had a field day but the ball wasn't even getting to the centres quick enough let alone the wingers. He's not alone, Finn can be slow at times and I've not seen enough of Williams yet. Also the loss of Moore hasn't helped as his speed of pass compensated a lot last year.

People can accuse me of a witch hunt but it's not, it's a statement of the obvious. Bren was right when he said on balance we couldn't do better than Miller and I agree he's a massive talent, but IMHO it's unfair to blame our centre's even if they are limited for an issue that occurs before they get the ball.I'm just hoping Jacob is not one of those players who finally gets how it all works just as his legs give in. He looks like he has years yet so there is plenty of time to work on what I think is the only issue holding him back. There I've said it now let the battle comence icon_biggrin.gif

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Happy that Leeds turned in such a good performance last weeks as it takes the pressure off us a bit. Haven't seen the odds yet but I expect they're well favourites for the win.
Always enjoy trips to Headingley. Hope we have a good turn out.

Probably my second most visited ground after Belle Vue. Castleford third.

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "Happy that Leeds turned in such a good performance last weeks as it takes the pressure off us a bit. Haven't seen the odds yet but I expect they're well favourites for the win.
Always enjoy trips to Headingley. Hope we have a good turn out.

Probably my second most visited ground after Belle Vue. Castleford third.'"


We're getting 10 points on the handicap, which looks very good value icon_biggrin.gif

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Hard to call - they've looked rudderless and soft - then all of a sudden, they play with freedom against Catalans and rack up a cricket score; so I guess it depends which Leeds turn up.

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Quote: bren2k "Hard to call - they've looked rudderless and soft - then all of a sudden, they play with freedom against Catalans and rack up a cricket score; so I guess it depends which Leeds turn up.'"


Ded help Leeds that they removed Catalans key man from the game. they are rather good at that, look at poor old David Fifita last year after JJB's Oscar winning performance.

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Quote: vastman "I'm going to get ripped for saying this but as your aware I don't care.

Yes our centre are not overly creative but IMHO they are not the culprits.

Ive said it umpteen times before and I'll say it again, it all stops at Miller and his 'yip' as I call it.

He is a devastating player on occasions and now the pitches are firm a first choice for me.

However he still has a huge flaw in his game and I'm not alone in spotting it. Though in fairness he's no longer the horror story he was a few years back so he's working on it.

For me he struggles to promote the ball quickly either left or right and nearly always opts for a short hospital pass when a cut out pass out wide is available. It's not that he hasn't spotted it, it's seems to be his fluidity that is the issue. By the time he's made his choice the moment is over, hence the short pass or he just runs into a wall of defenders - he's also got a very jerky passing style, compare him to William's or Finn and you'll see - hence the yip and hence Ashurst getting clattered ten times a game. Now maybe Ashurst needs to look at the lines he's running and compensate but tbh I can't see him doing much wrong.

What makes it really annoying is if you look at our last try Miller did it all spot on which is why I think he got as excited as he did - he can do it and if he did it more often we'd score two or more extra tries a game IMHO and a fair few will be wingers tries from deep which are always great to watch. Against Salford we should of had a field day but the ball wasn't even getting to the centres quick enough let alone the wingers. He's not alone, Finn can be slow at times and I've not seen enough of Williams yet. Also the loss of Moore hasn't helped as his speed of pass compensated a lot last year.

People can accuse me of a witch hunt but it's not, it's a statement of the obvious. Bren was right when he said on balance we couldn't do better than Miller and I agree he's a massive talent, but IMHO it's unfair to blame our centre's even if they are limited for an issue that occurs before they get the ball.I'm just hoping Jacob is not one of those players who finally gets how it all works just as his legs give in. He looks like he has years yet so there is plenty of time to work on what I think is the only issue holding him back. There I've said it now let the battle comence
I actually agree with you about Miller. I do sometimes think he's built up to a better player than he actually is. I'm not disputing that he's won some games for us, but I do think it's difficult for anyone to create a partnership with him due to his style. Either way, you've a better chance of winning games if your best players have more of the ball so we need to get it out to Johnstone a lot more than we do.

As for Moore, he could have been the missing link in this side. With the pack we've got he could have set a great platform for us to play. Add Wood off the bench and I'd have been much more confident of a top spot.

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I fancy us in this one.
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Quote: vastman "Ded help Leeds that they removed Catalans key man from the game. they are rather good at that, look at poor old David Fifita last year after JJB's Oscar winning performance.'"


If your referring to Singleton on Bird, Bird played on and went off later with a broken thumb.

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Quote: imwakefieldtillidie "I actually agree with you about Miller. I do sometimes think he's built up to a better player than he actually is. I'm not disputing that he's won some games for us, but I do think it's difficult for anyone to create a partnership with him due to his style. Either way, you've a better chance of winning games if your best players have more of the ball so we need to get it out to Johnstone a lot more than we do.

As for Moore, he could have been the missing link in this side. With the pack we've got he could have set a great platform for us to play. Add Wood off the bench and I'd have been much more confident of a top spot.'"



Yeah, we're missing Scott Moore and the England of last season, I think those two are bigger factors overall than any of Millers shortcomings.

Didn't like it at the time, and don't like it now every time I watch Cas, but we never replaced McShane like for like neither.

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"Never replaced McShane"

Good he was fat and lazy for us. Lazy kicking game. Like many other players he's benefited from Powell's turd polisher.

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Quote: Willzay ""Never replaced McShane"

Good he was fat and lazy for us. Lazy kicking game. Like many other players he's benefited from Powell's turd polisher.'"


Agreed. Kyle Wood is playing better for us than McShane did. I still have nightmares about all those forward passes he'd throw from dummy half.

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So.....you're saying I was disappointed when he left......for nothing!

damn

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