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Quote: The Avenger "Bullcrap!'"

Been to Wakefield today to pick some tickets' up for Sunday's game, there was a chap in the old BHS shop doorway petitioning for the resignation of this woman, I know it wasn't Wildthing cos I know who he is, I'm just wondering if it was you icon_wink.gif

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Quote: The Avenger "Bullcrap!'"


Not really, there are only 3 ways a MP can vote:

With party whip

With constituents

With conscience

Each one has pros and cons, but she is entitled to vote whichever way she feels best serves the district. Only time will tell if she was correct, if brexit is a runaway success and the Tory government maintain levels of current EU investment in Wakefield for example then she'll have been wrong. If it's a disaster then she was right.

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Quote: TrinityIHC "Not really, there are only 3 ways a MP can vote

She's voted in by her constituents to represent them
They clearly stated their wishes and she roundly ignored them, preferring instead to indulge in her own beliefs rather than do the job she was elected for.

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If we are talking about any "run of the mill" issue, the MP should think the issues through and vote in accordance with what they believe to be best for the constituency. As suggested, with their conscience.

If we are talking about a vote based on a referendum, them the MP needs to decide whether to (A) vote with the majority of the nation (the essence of a referendum), (B) with the majority of their constituency, or (C) against their constituency & nation (presumably because they think they know better).

In the event of (C), it is noble (but not a rule), for that MP to declare a bye election, giving the constituents the chance to change, if they wish, their representation.

Don't hold your breath Wakefield - a fat salary and pension are more important than your views and Parliamentary representation.

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Quote: The Avenger "She's voted in by her constituents to represent them
They clearly stated their wishes and she roundly ignored them, preferring instead to indulge in her own beliefs rather than do the job she was elected for.'"


It's not her job to go along with constituents wishes, her job is to try and do the best for Wakefield. If she passionately believes that Brexit will cause harm to the city, then she shouldn't vote it through. She is not a delegate.

Simple as that.

The easy option would have been for her to just vote against her conscience and not ruffle any feathers. As it is, she has taken the hard road and made herself a target. Give me a principled politician any day, over one who will do anything for an easy life.

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Quote: TrinityIHC "It's not her job to go along with constituents wishes, her job is to try and do the best for Wakefield. If she passionately believes that Brexit will cause harm to the city, then she shouldn't vote it through. She is not a delegate.

Simple as that.

The easy option would have been for her to just vote against her conscience and not ruffle any feathers. As it is, she has taken the hard road and made herself a target. Give me a principled politician any day, over one who will do anything for an easy life.'"


Suspect it won't be her job for much longer. Boundary changes make it more likely that Wakefield will be lost to Labour, especially if she remains.

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The referendum decision ,in my opinion, should override any personal views. In effect when a referendum is held, it is because it is of such importance that normal parliamentary procedure is suspended.If it goes back to parliament and its for MPs to decide yea or nay as to whether or not the opinion of the people is to be respected you may as well have not had the referendum in the first place.Creagh is a poor loser. I voted remain, but now let's just get on with it.

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The opinion of 48% of the population is being ignored... I like Ken Clarke's take on affairs. Fair play to Mary for voting with her conscience, she's always supported the EU so at least we don't have an mp who bends which ever way the wind blows. It would be like us ditching Wakefield to go watch Cas just because they've had a few good seasons! I've far more time for people who are loyal to their cause!

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Quote: 4foxsake "The opinion of 48% of the population is being ignored... I like Ken Clarke's take on affairs. Fair play to Mary for voting with her conscience, she's always supported the EU so at least we don't have an mp who bends which ever way the wind blows. It would be like us ditching Wakefield to go watch Cas just because they've had a few good seasons! I've far more time for people who are loyal to their cause!'"

i wonder if you would have the same view about creagh and Clarke had they voted against something you were passionate about?

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I'm afraid creagh and a whole host of both Tory and labour MPs are among the political elite of this country who seem to think they know what's best for us all, regardless of whatever opinions we might have.
You can vote in this country.. But you can't vote for change. Unless it's in the form of a referendum.people saw the referendum as a chance to let parliament know exactly how we felt, and that's why we find ourselves where we are today.
But until we get rid of the tories and labour as political forces in this country then nothing much is going to change,and because we run the two party system their both quite happy for things to run along as they are.they certainly don't want proportional representation, as this certainly would bring an end to their reign, as more people would see their votes counting wether they vote ukip or green thus giving them more MPs in parliament.

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Quote: Jackie brown "I'm afraid creagh and a whole host of both Tory and labour MPs are among the political elite of this country who seem to think they know what's best for us all, regardless of whatever opinions we might have.
You can vote in this country.. But you can't vote for change. Unless it's in the form of a referendum.people saw the referendum as a chance to let parliament know exactly how we felt, and that's why we find ourselves where we are today.
But until we get rid of the tories and labour as political forces in this country then nothing much is going to change,and because we run the two party system their both quite happy for things to run along as they are.they certainly don't want proportional representation, as this certainly would bring an end to their reign, as more people would see their votes counting wether they vote ukip or green thus giving them more MPs in parliament.'"


Spot on.

You'd think the penny would have dropped after Trump but no they still won't listen you only have to look at that granstanding idiot John Berko to see that.

At this rate we'll have to vote Charles Manson in before these self serving liberals get the point. Nobody wanted Trump and many didn't really want Brexit they just wanted to be heard at last and remind these parasites who pays the bills!

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That's right, you've shown those pesky politicians!

You've shown them by giving them more power and also made yourself poorer to boot.

"War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength"

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Quote: vastman "Spot on.

You'd think the penny would have dropped after Trump but no they still won't listen you only have to look at that granstanding idiot John Berko to see that.

At this rate we'll have to vote Charles Manson in before these self serving liberals get the point. Nobody wanted Trump and many didn't really want Brexit they just wanted to be heard at last and remind these parasites who pays the bills!'"


To be honest nothing will change massively until we have a societal sea change. Automation is coming and will make many, many jobs redundant. What will we do with those who are forced out of the workforce? We can't just sit back calling them scroungers like we treat the unemployed at present.

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Quote: Hank Moody "That's right, you've shown those pesky politicians!

You've shown them by giving them more power and also made yourself poorer to boot.

"War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength"'"

Are you a fortune teller by any chance?

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Quote: TrinityIHC "To be honest nothing will change massively until we have a societal sea change. Automation is coming and will make many, many jobs redundant. What will we do with those who are forced out of the workforce? We can't just sit back calling them scroungers like we treat the unemployed at present.'"

Plans are already in place for this mass loss of jobs, Finland are already discussing a minimum basic national income and plan to give every citizen 800 Euros income per month [£680 approx. at current exchange rate] all benefits would be scrapped. the Netherlands have also been trialling the same plan in parts of the country with high unemployment. its the way the world is going. icon_sad.gif

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