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Quote: bren2k "The Coalition and latterly the Tories, have totally failed to deliver on all of their deficit reduction targets; they now use austerity as a cloak to make ideological attacks on public services and the working classes, just as they've always done.

As for UKIP - I fail to see what a bunch of one-issue crackpots and racists would bring to the table.'"


Agree that Osbourne has failed in all his targets maybe thats a good thing for public sector workers considering the cuts would of been deeper to reduce the deficit. Unless of course we all pay more tax?

I was a UKIP voter, I want a Referendum to get out of the EU. Cameron was forced to offer a referendum after been leaking support to UKIP. Labour failed to recognise the support they was losing support to UKIP and failed to offer the voters the choice. They paid the price. I would say its probably the most productive vote I've ever made. I'm a a believer in democratic accountability so I dislike the set up of the EU with passion. I don't want to be ruled by a commission thats isn't answerable to the people. If that makes me a "crack pot and racist" so be it. I think we would after differ the definitions of your abuse.

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Agree about the UKIP being a single issue party but that single issue hamstrings this country in so many different ways. The sooner that referendum comes the better.

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Quote: deeHell "Agree that Osbourne has failed in all his targets maybe thats a good thing for public sector workers considering the cuts would of been deeper to reduce the deficit. Unless of course we all pay more tax?

I was a UKIP voter, I want a Referendum to get out of the EU. Cameron was forced to offer a referendum after been leaking support to UKIP. Labour failed to recognise the support they was losing support to UKIP and failed to offer the voters the choice. They paid the price. I would say its probably the most productive vote I've ever made. I'm a a believer in democratic accountability so I dislike the set up of the EU with passion. I don't want to be ruled by a commission thats isn't answerable to the people. If that makes me a "crack pot and racist" so be it. I think we would after differ the definitions of your abuse.'"


Or maybe there are different ways to reduce the deficit - like creating jobs, building infrastructure and collecting tax properly from his friends in the mega-corps who appear to be immune to the tax regulations that apply to everyone else?

I understand your position on the EU; I fundamentally disagree with it, but I understand it; the jibe about crackpots and racists was aimed at UKIP's prime movers - not necessarily the people who voted for them, so apologies if that was misconstrued. The fact that some sensible, right-minded people felt compelled to vote for these loons is indeed a damning indictment of the political class we are now subjected to.

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Politics makes enemies of the best of friends. But seen as though the lefties have hijacked a rugby forum I'll have my twopennorth. The last two Labour governments between them have ; left rubbish festering on our streets,left bodies unburried,had an inflation rate of over 25% ,had strike after strike etc etc up to 1979. Then the next bunch sold off the gold reserves at the bottom of the market,changed the face of the country forever with unfettered immigration,taxed pensions to punish those of us who saved,made huge swathes of the population dependent on benefits, nearly bankrupt the country,introduced the scums best friend the human rights act . I could go on but can't be assed. Cue the indignant hand wringers indignation

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Given that the last THREE Labour governments were between 1997 and 2007 and they did none of the things you've stated I think we can safely dismiss your two pennorth.

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Which Goverment created yuppies, sold off every publicly owned business, destroyed manufacturing to extent that we now rely on Russia for gas, South America for coal and China for steel. Which Goverment continues to sell the few remaining publicaly owned businesses below their value losing us the tax payers large amounts of money. They destroy almost completed nimrod surveillance planes only now to need to buy replacements from USA. They allow big business to avoid paying their full tax and what they do pay is heralded a great success from a man who then goes to watch the super bowl with the same company.
I could go on and list the many other promises made by one David Cameron which he failed to meet and let us not start on the number of times misinformation as been spouted by the same person. If all you have is the winter of discontent compared with the rise of food banks, we now have children developing rickets, I know the Tories believe in Victorian values but the ailments as well.
I have never known one Goverment who have tried to blame everyone else for the mess they have made to this country, the Liberals in coalition, local Goverment (who they starve of cash) because they have to shut libraries etc, with the exception of a few conservative councils who have recently benefitted from some spare cash they have found. They will do anything not to lose power, ensure they have all the money whilst making sure the other parties have theirs restricted, change the boundaries to purely made up ones to reduce the number on MP's whilst increasing their own majority, amend the way people are registered on the electoral roll.
We apparently have a friend in the new Conservative MP, I look forward to the day she does something constructive for the club. k020.gif

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Typical left wing reaction. Why are you assuming that I support the conservatives? If you want to let yourselves believe that Callaghan,Blair and Brown ran the country well I despair. I have neither the time or inclination to argue every point you have made but I will say this... the unions bear As much responsibility as any government in the destruction of manufacturing. I am fed up of getting up at 6 every morning ,paying my tax and Nat ins only for large chunks of it it be sent abroad or to be used to educate and treat in our hospitals people who were not born here and haven't paid into the pot. Our money should be spent on our kids, pensioners and our deprived. Cue racist , little Englander etc etc

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Oh sorry , just read the bit about boundary changes! My god! Brown/ Blair wouldn't do anything so underhand would they? Oh no god forbid. As you probably know that's one of the first things they did when they took power in1997.

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Quote: lampyboy "Now follows a party political broadcast on behalf of the shifty party. For someone who hates talking politics you ain't doing bad.'"


Am loving this thread..... we've not even started on religion yet....!

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I would go with gullible Sun reader. It's all those foreigners fault taking our jobs and money, get rid of them and we will become a utopian society. It amazes me that people actually believe it, what percentage of Wakefield residents are from the EU or further a field probably less than 10% but don't let facts get in the way of your somewhat bigoted view.
I also pay my taxes and have never received any Goverment hand outs in my 30 + years of working but I understand that not everyone can find work that comes with a living wage.

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Never seen as much sense written on this forum Scarlet as in your last couple of quotes. Go for it son!!!

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Neither a bigot or a Sun reader. Again typical attempt to smear someone who disagrees with their right on view. Just believe in looking after our own indigenous people first . If there is anything left over then we can be generous. What's wrong with that. You complain about lack of funds for libraries etc but feel it's ok to borrow money to send abroad,or educate and treat on the nhs people from other countries? By the way k020.gif doesn't win the debate.

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Quote: wotsupcas "Neither a bigot or a Sun reader. Again typical attempt to smear someone who disagrees with their right on view. Just believe in looking after our own indigenous people first . If there is anything left over then we can be generous. What's wrong with that. You complain about lack of funds for libraries etc but feel it's ok to borrow money to send abroad,or educate and treat on the nhs people from other countries? By the way
Great, so redundant libraries take priority over people living with famine/war etc, just because they don't come from the same part of the planet as you? icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: TrinityIHC "Great, so redundant libraries take priority over people living with famine/war etc, just because they don't come from the same part of the planet as you? we can't look after the whole world,even though we do more for the rest of the planet than almost any country on it.

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Quote: wotsupcas "Neither a bigot or a Sun reader. Again typical attempt to smear someone who disagrees with their right on view. Just believe in looking after our own indigenous people first . If there is anything left over then we can be generous. What's wrong with that. You complain about lack of funds for libraries etc but feel it's ok to borrow money to send abroad,or educate and treat on the nhs people from other countries? By the way
I actually work abroad as a peacekeeper in an International Peacekeeping Mission which is right on the front line between democracy and anarchy and in a location between Christianity and Islam. Terrorism threat here is low. But I would like to question you on why you think the UK should withdraw from spending abroad. I suppose you listen to the media at home that report on the sensational parts. I am not questioning your personal views or politics but just the foreign investment quote. We as a Nation are one of the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council, that responsibility was gifted to us after the 2nd world war the aim is to keep peace in the world, some would say not very successfully but the UN generally goes in after a conflict as begun attempts to bring peace and assists with stabilisation. We pay a significant sum to the UN for the privilege. we are part of the EU and the EU also has a peacekeeping arm again we are members (and pay towards its costs) and have EU missions in respect of peacekeeping, these as you would imagine are more European based. Then there is humanitarian assistance, usually this is provided in the home state but as we all know at the moment in Syria there is a mass exodus of people trying to get out of the Middle East.

The best option would be to keep them there I would be interested in your strategy should funding stop by the UK and other nations to sort this out. From a UK point of view we have invaded all but 22 countries in the world and in each of those we have colonised we have left our mark some good some not so good, we cleaned them out of their assets in many cases. In the countries I have visited that have been part of the Empire or Commonwealth we have left infrastructure and in many cases a rule of law system that works. Compare that to say some of the French colonies in Africa and you will see a different picture.

We are very well respected in most of the world but we tend to do the right thing even though we do not always get it right.

So think about why we send money abroad the investment return is in exports and imports as well as overseas income probably better than being parochial on our little Island. The last thing is that in the UK there is a class of people who will never work and expect a standard of living to be provided ( I am not including people who are genuinely out of work and seeking employment that is a different issue). We have European people coming in because we have jobs that cannot be filled I accept some these are probably low paid but for me its better to work than not and working should be more than benefits.

I hope you dont mind me putting a view on this from out in the field.

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