I believe these are the changes to our squad

OUT
Riley
Collis
Tim Smith
Lauitiiti
Washbrook
Kirke
Trout
Kavanagh
Daniel Smith
McShane
Locke
Walker
Mulally
Lee Smith
Tupou
Moore
Paea

ADDED
Howarth
Sio
Tansey
Yates
Finn
England
Gibson
Shulver
Morris

I admit this may not be the definitive list but it is the best I could come up with however I guess it shows we have a long way to go with either our player retention and recruitment.

Eleven out of those seventeen didn't really contribute to the final equation.
Although in your eyes we may have a long way to go with player retention and recruitment, the new season is still way off.
Have a bit of faith, rather than picking fault at every opportunity.

I'd like to see Tupou kept on and be our own big strong winger. May not have blistering pace but will do really well getting us on the front foot coming out of our half. There is certainly some big money (for us) off the wage bill now collis tim smith and Ali are off the books. Recruitment no where near finished IMO

Out of the 17 players mentioned, 5 of those Moore, L Smith, Walker, Kavanagh, and Mulalley weren't even our players, Paea, Collis and Sammut are long gone Locke was only a short term deal and Smith was sacked, McShane, D Smith, and Washbrook have been transfered.
So realistically we are only looking at 5 players, out of those if Trout or Kirke get a new contract I'll show my arriss on the town hall steps, so not forgetting Godinet that just leaves Riley, Ali and Topou needing to be sorted out, so as you point out there is little or no point panicking just yet, unless of course it's in one's nature to consistantly try and cause unrest in the camp.

I will say again that the list represents the squad used last season regardless of if they were on loan or signed, they need to be replaced. What does it matter if they were on short term deals they are not here now and will need to be replaced.
We have lost a chunk of very experienced and one presumes expensive players so we should have a lot of salary available. I wait to see how we spend this on and who we sign considering we hope to be near the full cap this season.
I sadly lack your gullibility when it comes to Wakefield Trinity and am not happy to accept another season of mediocrity despite this being an improvement on what we endured.

100 percent agree with this post , at moment we have announced half a dozen players - who in the main are squad players or relatively unproven , let's hope the next few signings add some genuine class to the squad . At the moment it's not exactly inspiring

Heard four new signings this coming week , if their not top four quality players I'll stick my kneck out now and say next season will be same as

You can say it as many times as you want it won't alter anything, you failed to mention Godinet in your list making that 18 players, you also failed not surprisingly to mention Annakin from your list of signings making 10 in all, subtract that from the 18 that have either left or not re-signed leaving 8 players, 5 of those 8 are off contract when this season runs out, so can we take your word for it that these 5 will not be offered new terms or is that just another presumption on your part.

Just out of curiosity how privvy are you to the financial dealings of the club, do you know who our new signings are, nah didn't think so on that basis how can you presume to know how expensive they are, or are you just guessing.

Not sure why you should feel sad about my gullibility regarding Wakefield Trinity, I make no secret of my ignorance of the inside dealings of the club and don't presume anything, preferring to wait until announcements are made instead of spreading false rumours and making silly presumptions, and if I may be so bold as to make a suggestion, if your not happy with your lot at Belle Vue you could always go and watch Eastmoor, the problem there is if you did you'd have something to moan about

Listen gullible I did not mention Godinet because it is currently not out and why would I mention Annakin unless use are referring to the new Star Wars because he is not a new signing and was not referred to in my out list.
I have based my assumptions on what MC said in that the salary had been reduced following the release of several players and that was before the sacking of Smith and Locke.
I am not spreading false rumour the list of players both out and in is accurate. The statement regarding the salary cap was made by MC so please enlighten us oh gullible one what false rumours am I spreading or is it that your gullibility does not allow for any dissenting voice.

As you did not mention Eastmoor, can one assume that won't be happening then

To be fair I'd take a season of mediocrity after the shite we served up this year.

Ya not allowed to agree you got to be excited cos we signed a player who many on here say is not good enough in anikinn or a player who at 26 never played top levell rugby in truth thers only finn you would expect in starting 13.

Leave poor old eastmoor our of this i watched them have good away win yesterday

Never tried to hide my lack of knowledge regarding the finances and the inner workings of the club I prefer to leave it to those in charge of those issues, and mainly because it's non of my business unlike you I refuse to stick my nose into it trying to give the impression that I know what I'm talking about, so if that's your interpretation of being gullible by accepting at face value what the chairman says, well yes I am guilty of being gullible, but you accuse me of being gullible for believing what Mr Carter says, above in bold is two sentences quoted by you regarding what the chairman has said, and you quote him with some conviction, so by the same laws does that not also make you gullible and also a hypocrite as well, one positive to take out of your post is your admittance that you are a dissenting voice when it comes to our beloved chairman.

So you've both had your turn.
No one else wants to see your little temper spats with each other.
Either use PM or leave it out.