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A lot of people are struggling financially and attending a game is a good proportion of their income. Making season tickets more expensive has ruled some out of renewing them.

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Quote: Trinity 61 "It is 65 not 60 for a concession It changed this season'"



I know. I'm just asking why some people are whining because there isn't a concession starting at 60. Not me.

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Quote: Redscat "As I've alluded to before on this forum, there is a general in-built apathy towards spectator sport in this city. Just ask the former supporters of Wakefield RU, Wakefield AFC & Wakefield Cricket Club. That apathy spreads elsewhere in the city, which explains the exceptional high rate of empty commercial and retail premises and the remains of what was once a market and town centre to be proud of.'"

Another obstacle is that a large, and ever growing, % of Wakefields population is not even English never mind from Wakefield.
And they have zero interest in anything to do with the city they ended up living in.

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The days of loyalty In sport has long gone. We are now in a world of success sells and people have many ways to spend the leisure pound than watching a team get beaten every week by 30 + points. The majority on the forum are let's face it not normal and will follow the club regardless of the cost but sadly you are now only a small minority compared with the population of the city.
We are expecting people to turn up pay £22 to see a team who they have read have one only three games all season and had a coach who admitted we were only interested in the play offs. When they get to the ground they are searched for open plastic bottles then they are told where to stand. It is not what you call a pleasant experience and one visit would probably be enough without having to watch the performance on the field prior to our change of coach.
I have a season ticket but I have chosen to miss games this season and I know many others who have too.
I have just read the last post which I will say does nothing but demean the forum. The percentage of residents from outside the UK in Wakefield will probably not exceed 10%. They are not responsible for the state of our club our club is responsible. I suppose when you have nothing to say blame someone else but I never thought the forum would stoop so low. icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "I know. I'm just asking why some people are whining because there isn't a concession starting at 60......'"

Because it's poor business management.
Don't offer someone something for a certain price then put the price up and expect the same people to just accept it. Raising people's expectations and then disappointing them is not sensible. You may or may not agree with what I'm saying (not whining) but clearly something has affected attendances and I'm pretty sure this issue (and student STs, poor stadium facilities, rubbish on field performances, poor club/supporter relations etc) is part of the reason.

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Quote: Kevs Head "Because it's poop poor business management.
Don't offer someone something for a certain price then put the price up and expect the same people to just accept it. Raising people's expectations and then disappointing them is not sensible. You may or may not agree with what I'm saying (not whining) but clearly something has affected attendances and I'm pretty sure this issue (and student STs, poor stadium facilities, rubbish on field performances, poor club/supporter relations etc) is part of the reason.'"



But what is your justification for allowing somebody in full time employment a discount just because he's 60? Why not 58 or 55?

Why not discount everybody? We've tried that though have n't we.

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Wakefield Trinity in a decent stadium with a competitive team will have no problem with attendances. The stadium issue needs sorting ASAP as its had a massive effect on our support. Getting hammered every week in a stupid league structure hasn't helped, I've got a season ticket but missed quite a few matches this season Im just waiting for the Middle 8 to start. Our attendances have also been hit this season with matches against clubs who usually bring a big away support Wigan, Saints, Hull all sky matches. To say the stadium issues we have, getting hammered every match and not winning anything for 60 years we get better support than most clubs would in our position. Saying that we've now got a good coach if we survive middle 8s get stadium situation sorted then our future is good.
TRINITY FOREVER

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Quote: wrencat1873 "There may be apathy towards Wakefield Trinity at the moment and yes, there are a number of extinct sporting organisations in the city BUT, there is no link between this and the number of empty commercial premises in the city.
Ironically (with Wakefields current difficulty in securing a new home), this is due to mickey poor town planning.
Half the world is buying their stuff on the internet but, town planners keep on trying to open new shopping centres to encourage shopper's and then wonder why the city centres are like ghost towns and Wakefield is a "good" example of this.
The warehousing and manufacture of goods for sale is a whole different issue although Wakefields geographical location together with its proximity to the motorway and rail network, make it an ideal location for distribution across the north of the country and those people responsible, have a much easier "sell" than many other areas.

Back on the sporting front, times have changed dramatically and with the exception of Premiership football and top end Rugby Union, plus major events, most people are happy to stay at home or watch in the pub.

RL has to work damn hard for its spectators and Wakefield haven't done enough to look after the new fans found during the Glover era, although, 2 years of dire performances on the field of play certainly haven't helped.

I wouldn't suggest going back to the £80 season ticket but IF we want 6000+ plus spectators at home matches there needs to be a re think on "selling" the club to the public.

People wont come just because we are here.'"



From an outsider looking in that sums it up perfectly. I think the start of the middle eights could be the start of a long slow revival for you. You have to realise realistically you aren't going to remedy all those years of mismanagement overnight. good luck in the middle eights. eusa_clap.gif

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Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "But what is your justification for allowing somebody in full time employment a discount just because he's 60? Why not 58 or 55?

Why not discount everybody? We've tried that though have n't we.'"

I'm not trying to justify any particular age related discount - it's a decision for the individual business/ service. I'm just saying that you can't expect people who've had a discount to be over the moon if it's taken away. Some will still buy the product but some won't. If the change we're going to be introduced it would have been better if it were phased in over 2 or 3 seasons.

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Four main reasons Wakefield struggle:

1) What's happened on the pitch the last 2 seasons.

2) What's happened off the pitch the last 2 decades.

3) Leeds Rhinos. (I grew up in Ossett and I'd say over 50% of the people who grew up with me support the Rhinos over Wakefield. It's sad.)

4) No incentives to attract new fans and bad season ticket decisions. No student prices is indefensible.

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We all have opinions as to why the decline in attendance but hows this for a !!FACT!!, I talked to a group of late 30 year olds at the weekend ive known these lads all their life and as kids went to watch Wakefield with their dads, to say i was supprised is puting it lightly when they said they got fed up with Wakefield and they all go to watch CASTLEFORD TIGERS.
Now its no good coming back with negative remarks on the above statement, as i say its a fact and the management at Wakefield want to take a hard look at this and ask themselves WHY?.

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Quote: BRIGGY "We all have opinions as to why the decline in attendance but hows this for a !!FACT!!, I talked to a group of late 30 year olds at the weekend ive known these lads all their life and as kids went to watch Wakefield with their dads, to say i was supprised is puting it lightly when they said they got fed up with Wakefield and they all go to watch CASTLEFORD TIGERS.
Now its no good coming back with negative remarks on the above statement, as i say its a fact and the management at Wakefield want to take a hard look at this and ask themselves WHY?.'"



Did you ask them why they left Wakefield and went to Cas? You had a closer interaction with these lost fans than the club does.

Did they say it is because Cas are winning at the moment, they have an amazing ground, the atmosphere is better, the price is better?

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Quote: BRIGGY "We all have opinions as to why the decline in attendance but hows this for a !!FACT!!, I talked to a group of late 30 year olds at the weekend ive known these lads all their life and as kids went to watch Wakefield with their dads, to say i was supprised is puting it lightly when they said they got fed up with Wakefield and they all go to watch CASTLEFORD TIGERS.
Now its no good coming back with negative remarks on the above statement, as i say its a fact and the management at Wakefield want to take a hard look at this and ask themselves WHY?.'"


Well that says more about those individuals than anything the club has done!

Supporting your club is ingrained, it's not negotiable.

I would stop watching all together before I would change to watching another club.

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We have continually shot ourselves in the foot over the last 10 years or so. No investment in the ground or the match day experience, the "stewarding" issues of the last two seasons have certainly alienated a significant number of long standing fans and the clubs PR is non existent. It comes to to money, MC has worked wonders to save the club from folding last year, and has openly said he will not spend more than income. A prudent move at the time, but, and this is a big but, this will ultimately lead to us going under as the current gates leave the club financially non viable. If, and I think we will, survive the middle 8's the club must "go for broke" on marketing, promotion, for next season, especially if we are playing elsewhere rather than Belle Vue. Where we get this money from, i do not know, that's what the Board and the Marketing / sponsorship people are there for, but without it we will fade away.

"Supporting your club is ingrained, it's not negotiable."
If that were only the case nowadays, for the older ones, maybe, but for the kids, it's not, they are fickle, and will want to watch the best in the best surroundings and will make their allegiences to suit. We have to snare the next generation and do it quickly....

I fear for this clubs future, hopefully someone will have the answers......

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Regarding the over 60 discount can I say that in my own case I don't work having taken the decision to retire on my railway pension. This means that I could afford the discounted season ticket and thought it value for money. When the discount was withdrawn to 60 to 65 year olds the ticket price effectively went up 120%. Would you pay that sort of increase on anything? I've watched Trinity since 1960 but that sort of increase was too much for me. I now choose my games and to be honest after seeing 3 or 4 games when the players weren't interested I didn't go again until the Hull game by which time I could at least see some kind of effort.

I think there are perhaps differences between supporting and watching a club and you will be a lot more patient with poor performances if you are a supporter than if you are just a watcher. To me it's all about value for money and nobody wants to watch really poor performances in what can only be described as a dump of a ground to most people even though us older supporters love the place.

It is a fact of life that most people want to watch a winning team. Why else would you go to Headingley?

Bradford Bulls are another example a well marketed winning team attracted very good attendances but now there are a lot less people there. It's not rocket science, is it?

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