Classic post, We're basing our posts' on opinion, your basing yours on the local Leeds rag the Yorkshire Post who are not noted for their local bias

You really don't get it do you. My word, having read your posting over the years i knew you didn't know much about the game but that post confirms you know even less than i thought, which takes some doing.

His point is fine, its no good having a good opening 20 then a good last 10 (which is all is was really) if you've conceded 11 tries in between! You think that conceding 60 against a team, whoever it is, is a creditable performance? Really? I think you and a few others have been sucked into accepting poor performances as the norm then. There were some good signs with the ball in hand but the defence is shocking and be it attitude, confidence, fitness or whatever that yesterday wasn't good enough.

As for Leeds in addition to Hardacre and Moon there was Jones-Buchanan, Delaney, Briscoe, Leuleuai, and Achurch missing, all of which would likely be in a first choice 17 for them. So yes they had there problems as well and were in poor form before yesterday and i don't actually think they played that well, they made a lot of errors for a Leeds team. Probably a good job.

I was a bit angry last night and you are right that mental attitude is a big problem. But i will maintain that some (not all!) of these players are exactly where they should be in the table and that is bottom of it. They are not good enough hence they are with us. Could they be made better with better coaching, improved fitness? Maybe some could with a lot of work. But is there time now to do that before the end of the season? Not sure there is.

I'm trying to keep up man, but unless the YP copied your post, it would appear that you've based your opinion on their report, which maybe leads me to believe your not entirely sure of what your saying and need a bit of help, I'm glad you agree though that anything about Leeds will be biased towards them.

Sorry what are you on about? Last night i posted that Leeds had eased up, i.e. their intensity dropped and key players were taken off and rested. This morning i read the match report on the YP website and that excerpt on the substitutions confirmed my initial thoughts hence i posted it to back it up in reply to the poster who had replied saying they hadn't. I know exactly what i'm saying but you seem to struggle with understanding. Get it yet?

Your pushing against an open door here squire, I'm not saying it's acceptable to concede 11 tries in a game, neither am I saying it's acceptable to concede that many points in a game, what I disputed was Leeds putting the cue on the rack, what I do find acceptable is, and by your own admission having a good opening 20 minutes and a good last 10 minutes, despite matey and the Leeds fans saying they had lots of injuries, which their club could absorb a lot easier than us, so please don't interpret my post to suit his argument, apart from that you seem to reiterate my point which was before matey tried to deflect was that although the overall performance was unacceptable there was some positives to work with, unfortunately we have people on here what don't do positives, but just prefer to whinge.

Totally agree Adam the 20 minute spell after half time was a total disgrace they gave up hence conceding 34 points with ease. Loved watching Smith not been bothad to run just ran round in circles and threw ball to the Leeds player. Poptart has some excellent positive tinted glasses on. I need a pair.Only positive you take that shambolic 20 mins spell out of the game then yes it was better, but it doesn't work like that.

I'm not struggling with the understanding at all I do get it honestly, You thought about it last night but went against your natural instinct to put your thoughts into words, and did not want to post it until the YP confirmed your belief, of course you know what your saying, you've copied it from a biased newspaper, do yourself a favour and throw the shovel away.

Jeez, you really do epitomise the saying you can't educate pork. I give up you win, believe want you want because i don't really care enough to carry on a battle of wits against an unarmed man. It's not fair on you.

My word I really do get it, anybody that does not agree with you knows nothing, I shall do my utmost in the future though to aspire to your knowledgeable self, in the meantime do the usual thing on here, when your arguments fall down lob in a few insults.

Ok i apologise for the name calling, that was uncalled for. I don't take any real positives from the fact that again we rolled over horrendously at the start of the half once the going got tough and a few late tries doesn't make me feel any better. You saw it the other way. Fair enough, we will agree to disagree.

One thing totally not related to the thread is the crowd was announced as 4597 i think? I thought there was more than that myself as Leeds travelled in decent numbers but Carter says he always calls it as it is so i assume it is correct. It must have been around 50-50 looking around. Given Leeds is a drawcard game, it was a nice sunny sunday and the Brian Smith factor are we really down to our last 2000 or so fans? If so i worry for the future.

I wouldn't worry too much. I think the nature of the losses has sapped everyone's enthusiasm [i've only paid to see 4 games this year as I cannot afford to be spending 22 quid especially when it's to watch us get smashed] but also MC has dropped the ball a bit regarding student prices. I and three friends had season tickets last year, this year I haven't been able to afford to pay full whack as I'm doing my teacher training. The other two have circumstances that prevent this too but all may have been able to attend with a student concession.

We just need to see this year through really. If what MC says about our cap ability next year then next year's team will be one of the most competitive playing budgets we've had in super league and the fans will all come back as long as the team are competitive on the field in my opinion. A bit of decent marketing wouldn't go a miss either in and around the city centre.

There's been no positivity for trinity fans over the last 2 years really and until the players lift it and dig in i suspect it won't be until there's a clean slate for next season until crowd numbers go back up. That said, I will be doing everything I can to attend in the middle eights as I think it's vital the players receive the support in their attempt to stay in super league. In short, there's not much point or motivation to get me to turn up to Belle Vue until the middle eights because, like our previous coach has said, that's when our season starts.