So sensible a comment it doesn't belong on here to be honest - Belly take note, message put across without the need for hysterics.

I will settle somewhere in between on this one. I think the team is probably good enough to win enough games to ensure survival. However I don't think it is good enough to be competitive in the majority of games.

We left too much on the field at Salford which was a gallant struggle but in the end a futile gesture.

If Agar is smart he will try and peak for certain games that we have a chance of winning and 'spare his resources'
in games that are obviously beyond us.

I will give you an example. In the past two games Ali has been our main go to man and we have just about run him into the ground. I would rest him for Wigan away and keep him fresh for Catalan. Wigan away would also be the game I would play Wildie and Briscoe, they will be needing a run out and this could then keep a couple more fresh for Catalan at home.

As a Hull fan you can imagine what my feelings about RA are. However, in no way was he responsible for giving away so many penalties, dropping the ball countless times etc. Its the players who need a kick up the backside.
I would also suggest that getting rid of him would be very difficult, given that Auntie Kath is now in attendance at Belle Vue.

Ali is a massive threat but currently the only threat - conceding 41 points in two games is actually pretty good - I always say that if cas concede <24 then they'll win.

I don't think the speed of your PTB's give your flair players a chance, and without Ali being a massive unit out wide there'd be a massive struggle for points.

Hard to say hw Godinet and Sammut will compliment each other - their first showing was very much 2 individuals rather than a pairing.

Catlans @ home is usually a good fixture for you guys, so I entirely agree with JackInTheBox there... That being said, will wigan be unbeatable???

This.

Agar needs to get the squad fit as too many faded badly in the second half and needs to have confidence to play only players in their favoured position. Bradford outmuscled us and had the stamina in poor heavy pitch conditions whereas we tired badly after 60 mins. Probably why we were continually interfering at the ruck and being penalised.

I couldn't believe it when I read we were playing Ryan (carrying some timber!) in the centre when we have players such as Briscoe who we've played there in the pre season?

HAVE CONFIDENCE IN ALL OF YOUR SQUAD PLEASE AND UTILISE THEM!!

Wildie after 60 mins around the ruck would have provided some zipp. Briscoe at centre instead of Ryan who should have been rested. Moore and Trout with some fresh legs off the bench would also have helped IMHO.

I have to admit I wonder whether Godinet & Sammut are a bit too similar in style to play together. They both seem to be off the cuff style players who play it as they see it rather than one complimenting the other by playing as a link and getting the field position. Hence last night we kept going from side to side and not forwards. Time will tell if they can find the right balance between themselves. Hope they do quickly because we certainly need them to.

If you were at the game, the analyst on Sky got it right on the money.

He was saying that wakefeld's plays were, other than slow, really predictable. Their power-plays were down the right every time, which is fine if you then mix up the following play. ---though eventually they used Ali down the left near the line, and the try he scored was similar to Ryan's last week at Salford

But like you say it was

1: R-L through Godinet
2: L-R through Sammut
3: R-L through Godinet
4: L-R through Sammut
5: drop off into the middle to set up the kick

it made the bradford defence look sensational - in hindsight I'd have not played Sammut cause there was no cohesion there at all - and Sykes as a centre IMO is past it.

Walshaw should've been centre for me, I dunno where Matt Ryan should play

Just get Sammut off, it clearly wasn't working out this early, walshaw into the centres for sykes and then use Ryan in the second row - that away you could've utilised your interchanges a whole lot better - then as you say, if needs be, spell Sammut with McShane (just for this game as a one off)

Either way matey, I think the tactics were bang out last night, or the players didn't play them correctly.

What would you like to see next week? ignore the result and use it to try work on last night's issues for Catalans?

Catalans? I hope we put in a performance against Wigans reserves next week.

We need to give agar a chance to get it right but we do need to sort it quickly. Half a dozen more games like that and it may just be too late, we'll give ourselves too much to do.

I'd agree, but absolute negativity simply never works.

Doubt we'll be facing their academy mate. Our overseas players proved at Salford that you can get off a plane and play a few days later to a good standard. Even after their travels Wigan will be much too good for us i'm afraid, it will though serve a good purpose in trying to build some combinations.

He's only suggesting resting Ali cos I told him!

I think there's a mixture of views here that are right on different counts.

Yesterdays loss was set up on Sunday - I haven't watched the Bulls/Cas game, but I doubt very much it would come even close to this intensity of ours at Salford - that was as tough as it gets physically. Add to that the want/need to introduce our new 'star' signing and it ends up in a buggers muddle - most of it not in anyones control!

However, I have to say that there are some things we could have done better IMO, such as using Matty Wildie, Briscoe and even Trout to try and keep things fresh and, whilst he made an almighty boo-boo, I think Agar seemed very unfair on Walshaw who played well on Sunday, with the net result being that we were effectively a man down for most of the match!

On the Ali thing - as well as keeping him fresh for our 'big' games, I want to see our players try and play without being able to just 'give it to Ali'. We used to do the same with Solo and it doesn't work every time. In the 2 games we've played, in both second halves, we have not used Collis hardly at all. We are blessed in having such quality on our right side attack and we need to use it better.

Finally, and this is related to the Walshaw issue, are we trying to kill Kirmo. He gives his all, and more, but he is not super-human and he needs to come off when he is knackered.

So, some issues with coaching, but not enough to throw baby out with the bathwater - we just need to be a bit smarter in the circumstances. Timing etc will come and there is plenty of good football in this squad.

I agree TRB