People may disagree but sometimes bad defence is a lack of communication whether it be from Fullback or the wingers and centres telling people to drag across.

As well as putting pressure on the kicker which we seem to completely disregard at times

Plenty of teams do it - Leeds, Wigan & Wire to name a few, have runners protecting the catcher, often flirting with illegality; it's one of the small, game-management skills that we don't do very well.

Would be sad to see him go. Agree with all the positive comments above. His spirit is part of the better things about our current side

So you have already forgotten The Rhinos 2 tries at Headingley where Fox shot out of the line and over-ran Moon who scored unopposed, or Fox dropping the high bomb for Leeds to score, or Cockayne not even challenging for the ball when Leeds scored in the first half.
Or last game Cockayne shooting the ball to Poore who knocked on and Leeds scored off the resulting set.
None of these contributed to us losing when we should have won?

Wingers, or anyone, not trusting their inside defenders is a pet hate of mine. Fox does shoot in far too readily often leaving his opposite number a free run in.

I don't know if he doesn't trust his inside man or doesn't trust himself to make a 1-on-1.

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No I haven't forgotten those errors. I don't say they don't make errors, which player doesn't? I was trying to make the point that out wingers generally speaking are NOT the reason we lost all the games we should have won. You target only Fox and Cockayne - were they the only two who made errors in those games? I think not.
How many games would we have won had not Fox and Cockayne made as many yards upfield for us in EVERY game we play !
All I'm saying is let's have a long look at out defensive strategy before we point the finger at our wingers, often facing a huge overlap and then saying to them 'your fault we lost why didn't you tackle all three of 'em'

Post a stand alone topic mate, I'm sure that admin won't mind in this instance.

This is a sign of what happens when a team start rumours about signing a player.
We should be more than happy to keep our team together and certainly keep a player who has been nip and tuck as our top scorer and certainly our top metre gainer.
Now we are picking his faults and deciding whether he is good enough.

The very fact that Hull KR want him back is a sign of his value. There are obviously better wingers in the league, but not that many, and the ones that are are imho out of our league, so let's keep him and work on defensive structures rather than get rid of one of our best just because he has a dip in form or misses some tackles when he has more than one player to take.

I'd also suggest that HKR's interest in Ben is also down to the threads on here suggesting our demise, they see a bird with a broken wing and want to take advantage!

I have not read the whole thread but for me cockayne would be one of the first names on the teamsheet.

Yes his game has weaknesses as well as strengths, as do ALL players. The one thing that he does bring to the team is effort. 100% intensity for every minute of every game.

If you think our forwards look dominant in games, look how many times fox,cockayne and mathers have taken the first two tackles and made good ground, allowing our pack time to get back into play almost at their leisure.

I would be very disappointed if we let him go, and think replacing what he brings to the team would be more difficult than some on here seem to think.

Agreed - another reason for people to think twice before they rush to post unfounded rumours of such seriousness; nobody would be talking about our 'impending demise' or any such nonsense, if it hadn't originated on this board.

The financial issues have been explained, the new company has been explained (turned out I was right by the way) and despite all that, we are now being referred to as a club with the ubiquitous 'off-field problems.' It's really not helpful.

Absolutely!

To be fair bren if it didn't originate on here it would only be a matter of time before it would appear on the al-queda forum. Twitter and facebook also allow unsubstantiated rumours go viral.

The winding up petitions alone would point to a business with financial issues. I think they have more credence then rumours on a fans forum.