I can't think of a single occasion when the "C" word is appropriate. I can't understand why some people can only express their passion, or general conversation through foul language. I've never been one for bad language and it is only on the rare occasion that such words pass my lips.

In general it is offensive, especially when you are surrounded by strangers.

Sport is sport though, whether it be rugby, football or something else. Bad language has always been present on the terraces and I dare say always will be. Such a shame that people are brought up in an environment where it is tolerated at home and with their peers.

You have my sympathy The Clan.

I was in the north stand, boy did i enjoy it, we spoke about the KR fans, no way was there 1500, more like 700 tops was, alot of Trins fans in the west stand

Less at Cas than BV and we were on TV Oh and they were plaaying Leeds, great result for Cas though good job Leeds brought 5K

Should have should in the North Stand then back/ centre where most of the singers go not the corner. Good atmosphere last night in the north stand and will only get better.

Ask Peter fox how vocal and supportive he thinks the screen corner fans are

Unfortunately you're right. A large percentage of the younger generation see the 'f' word as a necessary word in their vocabulary and they don't really care if it offends others. I used to think the offenders were just the uneducated few trying to make up for their lack of intellect but it isn't. You can walk round any town centre and the younger generation use the words most of us use discreetly, freely, in public, regardless of what others think. I'm afraid we've lost that one!

Yes, it does make you wonder what some people think constitutes "foul and abusive language".

I too was next to that group of potty-mouths - totally unnecessary and for mine, shows a lack of maturity, given that we were surrounded by older folks and kids.

I don't mind a bit of industrial language in the right circumstances, but in the middle of a mixed crowd isn't it; I blame the parents/the government/modern society/video games/immigrants/popular music.*

*delete as appropriate

It used to be used in dramas to convey utter frustration or intense anger , now it is used so much it has no dramatic effect.
So called satirical shows, which pale into insignificance compared to those of the past,use industrial language nearly every other word.
So what can we expect.

Do season ticket sales count towards attendance regardless of attendances? I always thought they worked it out on turnstile clicks.

On the one hand, it would seem to make it a difficult job, because you would need to work out exactly how much of the cash received related to concessions, etc, as aren't some of the gates mixed?

Having said that, there did seem to be plenty of spaces and so I wasn't convinced the attendance was as high as they said, but it was still very healthy, particularly as it was a Saturday teatime Sky game on a cold day.

Yes they are all counted, which is fair enough as the ticket has been bought and paid for. I think this is the reason why people get confused with the crowd figures especialy at cup games. One week you are at a league match and a crowd of say 7000 is given out, next week you have a cup game and it looks like the same numbers in the ground and the crowd is announced at 3,500.

The crowd was certainly higher than I guessed on the night (8k) but its worth noting Belle Vue holds approx.11k so there was still space for another 1700 people, although i believe the safety certificate only permits 10k to be in the ground.

If you want to know the true attendance, ask someone from the nutjob forum - there's a whole thread dedicated to it, along with some 'expert' opinion on how we've been fiddling the figures for years.

Personally, it's become my first stop for WTW related news stories - they've got all the scoops.

Which forum is this thread on?