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Quote: bellycouldtackle "Poore is making Brent Todd look like a great player. I look forward to seeing something from him to suggest that he played NRL he would not get in the Stanley Rangers ladies third team on present form. The biggest problem we have is that Aiton is just not a hooker, Diskin and LeStrange once again showed what we are lacking, he does not understand the game, his passing is poor, his game management is poor, he never takes us forward, we are so easy to defend against when he is at 9, he has the heart of a lion and his work rate is great but he is not a hooker. What is it that our coaching team cannot see. Last year it took an injury to get him away from the hooking role and guess what we started to play when Ellis got his chance. Priority one is to go out and find a hooker. Why did Singleton get a game today, Anakin has out performed him in the pre season, Anakin is a Wakefield player who gives 100%, Singleton showed today that his defence is weak, play Anakin or Trout. Think our players started to beleive some of the hype about them been good and just turned up expecting to win. Only players who gave their all were Mathers and Ali. Why is Kermond the captain he simply does not look like he can get the troops going when the chips are down. Very very bad day at the office, most lack luster effort I have seen from a Trinity team in 40 years. '"



The aiton thing is bang on, he is devastating in broken play and good from dummy half when it's a quick ptb, (which we never got today) but he does not do the simple things well, like the short pass bringing the next drive on quickly to create some go forwards.

I think we are very weak in this area since Ellis went.

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Thank heaven the rugby has started, and we can have proper mature threads rather than "my cathedral is bigger than yours..."

Very impresed with the objective and mature analysis on this thread so for. eusa_clap.gif

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Quote: bellycouldtackle "Poore is making Brent Todd look like a great player. I look forward to seeing something from him to suggest that he played NRL he would not get in the Stanley Rangers ladies third team on present form. The biggest problem we have is that Aiton is just not a hooker, Diskin and LeStrange once again showed what we are lacking, he does not understand the game, his passing is poor, his game management is poor, he never takes us forward, we are so easy to defend against when he is at 9, he has the heart of a lion and his work rate is great but he is not a hooker. What is it that our coaching team cannot see. Last year it took an injury to get him away from the hooking role and guess what we started to play when Ellis got his chance. Priority one is to go out and find a hooker. Why did Singleton get a game today, Anakin has out performed him in the pre season, Anakin is a Wakefield player who gives 100%, Singleton showed today that his defence is weak, play Anakin or Trout. Think our players started to beleive some of the hype about them been good and just turned up expecting to win. Only players who gave their all were Mathers and Ali. Why is Kermond the captain he simply does not look like he can get the troops going when the chips are down. Very very bad day at the office, most lack luster effort I have seen from a Trinity team in 40 years.'"

Why would Agar go looking for a hooker? He had a perfectly good one in Ellis that he punted out of the club because he believes that Aiton, Wood & Wildie are better dummy halves. None of those three are natural hooker imho, but thats the way we have gone and we are stuck with it. We have no funds to bring anyone else in without someone leaving and if that happens Agar has already said he would go for another forward.

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It's as Agar says - we can't really judge the creative side of the team, we had no territory all game and so were forced to keep plying it up the middle.

When the backs did get involved they played ok, but the forwards need to carry the piano, so that they can play it.

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Quote: mystic eddie "Clutching at straws....

Where's Vastman? He been talked down off the bridge yet?'"


Oh dear poor sweet dim Mystic. You must be one lonely sad individual if this is how you get your validation. One can almost hear it in your voice "I'm a big man again, well for this week anyways".

For the record I never suggested we'd win today, never stated we are better than Bradford - not the least bit surprised by this result in that it was my worst case scenario.

Now lets see when the fuss dies down and the season proper starts as to how it all goes shall we big man.

I'd buy the pot noodles and special brew in if I were you to help you trough the long summer nights or finally get a girlfriend whichever helps the most eusa_shhh.gif

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Awful discipline from Wakefield today. Constant chatting back gave Bradford the easy yards and they took full advantage. I'd suggest everyone keeps their gobs shut next week.

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Quote: bellycouldtackle "Poore is making Brent Todd look like a great player. I look forward to seeing something from him to suggest that he played NRL he would not get in the Stanley Rangers ladies third team on present form. The biggest problem we have is that Aiton is just not a hooker, Diskin and LeStrange once again showed what we are lacking, he does not understand the game, his passing is poor, his game management is poor, he never takes us forward, we are so easy to defend against when he is at 9, he has the heart of a lion and his work rate is great but he is not a hooker. What is it that our coaching team cannot see. Last year it took an injury to get him away from the hooking role and guess what we started to play when Ellis got his chance. Priority one is to go out and find a hooker. Why did Singleton get a game today, Anakin has out performed him in the pre season, Anakin is a Wakefield player who gives 100%, Singleton showed today that his defence is weak, play Anakin or Trout. Think our players started to beleive some of the hype about them been good and just turned up expecting to win. Only players who gave their all were Mathers and Ali. Why is Kermond the captain he simply does not look like he can get the troops going when the chips are down. Very very bad day at the office, most lack luster effort I have seen from a Trinity team in 40 years.'"


Give up with this Aiton isn't a hooker stuff - is James Roby not a hooker either judging by the Saints score.

Didn't take you long to recant eusa_whistle.gif

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Terrible performance from 1 to 17, made Sammut look like a world beater, instead of the mediocre play he actually is. The try he scored just before half time was absolutely shocking tackling on our part. icon_biggrin.gifEPRESSED:

Got to say we missed Ellis, the amount of forward passes and knock ons from Aiton was bordering on the ridiculous. The lad isn't a starting hooker for me, he's the guy you bring on to change the game. Also do not think Lynne has the build for a centre, get him on the wing and get Mellars, Walshaw or Cowling in the team, all are capable of doing a much better job, didn't think Lynne did anything too wrong, just don't think he's a centre.

Wildie......had enough time around the first team now, either has to perform or move to the championship.

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I take two positives from today's game:

1. We were without heart, fight or spirit. With those three, we should do better.

2. I don't have to go back to the Odsal for another year.

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was poor today no doubt and yes ranks with worst disappointmenting performances from wt over my 28 years, but some of the garbage talked from the loyal ones in the ground was beyond belief.

anyway it was rubbish but it didnt rain and i got a lift in a very nice car and everything in the whole world, including poverty, the world economic crisis, syria, and acne in teenagers is richie mathers fault cos the duffer in the flat cap said so.

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Quote: vastman "
Now lets see when the fuss dies down and the season proper starts as to how it all goes shall we big man.

'"


??

Was todays game a friendly then? Or, as I thought, the start of the season proper?

You bring it on yourself Vasty. You seem to be a self appointed leader of the trumpets and it is always good to see you with serious egg on your face. I realise it is the "green eyed monster" suffered by many supporters of wee team who envy their more illustrious neighbours but it seems that it really really hurts you when you lose to Bradford.

Still, there is always the Samaritans. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: 4foxsake "Terrible performance from 1 to 17, made Sammut look like a world beater, instead of the mediocre play he actually is. '"



Too true. Why they let Sykes go last season after signing Sammut I'll never know

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Have links to one of your players so went today. As a neutral I'd say Bradford were good but nothing amazing. Big and powerful, take away Samutt and they'd not have been anything like as devastating. Wakefields forwards did little, can't really pick any of the backs for real criticism. Mathers was doing his best. Ben c grafted n tried his heart out, Lyne was solid, defence is outta sight from his hull days. Fox some good runs n Collis is a good player who took try well. Think the biggest problem was your kicking game, especially early on. Dire, truly dire. Agar right to complain about forwards although when 18nil down with some time left til ht poore amour n Ali were all bench warming at the same time. Thought that was a mistake to be honest. Think you'll be better for the run out n if smith n Raleigh back for weekend that'll be a big +. Like to be more positive for you but they didn't show much of what even a neutral like me knows your capable of. Good luck for next week against the dobins. I'll be there again and not just an honorary wakey fan that day but a full on one! icon_smile.gif

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Quote: airliebird,runninglate! " Big and powerful, take away Samutt and they'd not have been anything like as devastating. '"


Wasn't it perhaps more of a case that Sammut was ABLE to be "devastating" because he (like Kearney) was able to play behind a dominant pack?

Interesting to hear a neutral describe Bradford as "Big & Powerful". Most Bulls fans have been bemoaning our "lightweight" pack hitherto.

I suspect next week at your place will be a much better indication of the strength, or otherwise, of the Bulls' pack.

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Have to agree with most of the comments, but one thing for certain we can get better, come on get behind the team.
its a home game next week and a win will make everthing look different.
dont forget there has been seven loosers this weekend and its up to the lads to make sure we are not amongst them next week

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