Not now they don't, you know what they are like

Why is it a shoot-out between Trout and Singleton? I don't see any suggestion that we're off-loading Trout to bring him in, so I don't see how his addition as cover in the forwards will do anything to hinder Trout's development.

Nobody is suggesting that. The issue is whether Singleton offers more than Trout, because if he doesn't I'm not sure I get the deal. Basically you're just duplicating a fringe player, when what most people seemed to think was that we needed an experienced prop. That is certainly what Agar seemed to suggest. It's not a dig at the club or the player just a legitimate question.

Basically we still have not got the much vaunted 5th prop - if Singleton is the answer then we already had the player in Trout IMHO.
What both these players become in the future is another matter.

I'm not sure that Singleton is the answer to the original question; perhaps he's just the answer to a supplementary question that came up during the process?? (stretching the analogy there a bit, I realise)

I wouldn't be surprised to see another experienced prop come in - meanwhile, Singleton offers additional cover and for me, Trout's future is in the SR; he's a tough lad, but I don't think he's big enough to mix it with SL props week in and week out.

I don't think he does offer more than Trout, but that is a matter of opinion.

We had a perfectly good prop in Tom Lilycrop and let him go, we had a good prop called Adam Gledhill- we let him go. There must be method in the madness?

cant understand how people are talking about a match between trout and singieton and completley ignoring the fact that we had a better prospect on our books at the end of last season and if those raving about another clubs youth had took the time to watch our academy they would have seen for themselves

Yes I'm not sure Singleton is the answer to the question either, I think people are putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5, obviously time will tell.

In an interview Agar gave a couple of weeks ago I think he mentioned that he was after bringing in 2 players, one of those being an out and out prop and a utility forward, surely Singleton's the latter.

Singleton is the size of a prop. Trout isn't and will do well at second row this season I'm sure.

i note in your posts asmadasa that you seem to give big raps to brad singleton ,i wonder how much youve seen of him ,following our academy for the last 3 yrs icould be wrong but ithink not i will have seen more of him than you,for a start im abig admirer of cumbrian forwards but that is the only thing he as in comman with amor. He is no relation to me but id like to know why posters on here ignore the fact when i point out that in adam gledhill we had a forward who with the right training could have gone to the top and yet we have threads talking about young props.dont get me wrong im a wakefield supporter ,but i watch all the age groups at the club , and unlike some the opposition too,i really think im quallified to judge young players and i suppose it sounds big headed but i think most times i get it right

Why let James go if all we do is sign a forward who has less experience in a deal that will benefit Leeds long term?

Mainly because we've made a bit of a mess of our recruitment and he is all that is left available.

Decent back up but we may aswell have kept Matt James.

Can we just take it as read that you believe that Adam Gledhill was the best young forward at the club, to save you repeating it in every thread?

In my opinion if you are looking at basically an academy player from another club i would be a little annoyed. At the beginning of the year a big push through your club was about players within and as people have stated Kyle Trout is a real good prospect. At Cas we have a brilliant young player in Dan Fleming out on dual reg and it annoys me that he won't be playing for us. I think both our clubs junior development is poor.

Disagree totally

Cas have always had a good youth set up, ours is getting there in terms of talent but in terms of set up I think we are ahead of Cas, problem is our clubs are still way behind the likes of Leeds. We have had some good prospects tand that what they are, Trout FWIW and IMHO is a back rower, he played one game at prop the other day as a fill in but thats it, he didnt do himself any harm and I thought he went really well but hes not a prop. The youth set ups generally find the odd golden nugget however until you have a structure where the younger players are totally loyal to the club (like the Leeds set up) then players will come and go, I beleive for a couple of reasons (well 3) . Firstly the club itself (hey I have just signed for the SL champions if I make it I may win trophies etc). Secondly the set up (whats in it for the player so now clubs are looking at parallel pathways for those that dont make it and that is the majority sadly however many go onto play at a an excellent standard outside SL and with a good education pathway can compliment their playing talent at whatever level with employment. The last area is money and as young players develop and agents/parents are involved sometimes the grass is greener elsewhere. So the reality for me is that the minority are likely to get to SL level however the key is the great set up to attract the best to identify the best ala Leed etc.