I did say throw Aiton in the mix. Southern wouldn't get into at least 10 teams in super league on the form he's shown. So why is he good enough for our pack ? Like I said I'd like so see him improve and get another shot at some point but it would be a shame to push out current players while they are doing something he couldn't.

I agree, i dont see a place in the side for him at the mo as there is no reason to change the side for anybody at the minute. I said earlier that i didnt think we had had good value out of him, but at the same time i really dont see him as an out and out failure and can see what he brings to the side on the occasions when he has played albeit for less minutes than everyone had hoped.

For the record, i would be very surprised if he was one of the top earners, based on where he was playing and the lack of offers on the table to him at the time of signing*

*Please note this is out and out guess work.

cop 4 this you daft man

Your right Vastman, potato does sound better

Correct,

however I would not put him infront of Ali,Kirmond or frankie as a second rower either.

over rated over the hill aussie surplus to requirements as far as i can see

Southern is a good solid tackling second row that has proved himself in the NRL. He has had a poor season as he has been played out of position and got battered and injured as a result. He also appears to have had some personal problems off the pitch which wouldn't help. He deserves another season as a second row to prove what he is capable of. The prop position needs sorting though and we may need to pick up one/two (from Bradford?) if we lose Amor back to Leeds. Good if the rumour about O'Meley is true although who comes off the quota maybe it will be Southern or Issac John?

Mellors has had a poor season and maybe he is more of a winger? Can we really afford to keep him when we have good young wingers coming through?

Bearing in mind I don't think he has actually played any game anywhere other than as a prop - which positions are you comparing????

Kirmond has been outstanding
Ali is great but won't be playing 80 mins next year
Mariano is good at what he does but has holes in his game

Southern is great at what he does. In the tough games when you need a big defender I'd rather have him playing.

^^this^^

and add to that the fact that he's expensive, i can't help thinking that we've signed a dud.

How much is he earning rhuby, I missed the press release?

Ask Danny Cowling.

We have signed a dud in terms of what we needed, I don't think anyone can really deny that.

The only issue is whether Southern is, was and always will be a dud as some seem to think - or he was the wrong player at the wrong point in his career who has due to injury, positional issues and off field issues been a victim of circumstance.

With him I veer to the latter - sometime it just doesn't work out - other times the player is a time waster like Peterson a few seasons ago.

Mellers played out of position all season hes a winger Southern jury out untill next season for me

didn't anyone see Southern try and tackle the Bradford player while he was laying on his back recieving medical attention? he pushed the medic away to try and tackle the player- probably making his injury worse. If someone like Aiton or Kirmond had have done that he would have become a legend on here. just hope gets to play at second row and show what he's good at.