You are reaching for something there. Just admit that Agar got the tactics right and the players are playing to a good system that has taken some time to get going.

Or Fox was up against one of the best wingers in the world at taking a kick (high or low) and scoring. He did well at somethings and got beaten at others.
But you look for the negatives if it makes you feel better.

Is it really all negative to state facts about Foxs and even Mathers perfromances at points .. the guys have international honours ... I think a lot of us expect a bit more consisitnecy of performance - certaintly in defence - considering what that 10 minute spell did to most of our finger nails..

Fox was indeed up against one of the best wingers in the world but I agree that his positioning for each of Halls two efforts from King Kevs kicks - wasn't up to scratch.

The first kick was utter garbage... Fox doesnt even look at the ball and runs past Hall .. who literally catches the ball and trots over Fox hardly laying a finger. Same with Mathers... Hall is huge, athletic but its a damn sight easier for him if you dont even leave the ground to contest the ball.

Fox showed what he can do at the other end with a very well taken try but needs to polish up on the defence - as do a number of our threequarters in my opinion (Collis).

Still Leeds got whopped in the end

Will reserve judgement on Agar for a little longer.Although credit where credit is due,the performance against Leeds was very good,maybe our next couple of fixtures will be a good indicator as to whether Monday night was a flash in the pan or not.

Fox made some good yards and took his try extremely well,but even the player himself would have been dissappointed at his own defence on the kicks,Agar certainly showed his displeasure with his defence on the third one.
I thought Tim Smith was very impressive in that after Fox had made a few errors,Fox still came looking for the ball and Smith seemed eager to give him it,showing a good team spirit.

Sheep follow blindly.

my point was perhaps a wider one. of the imports that we have, aiton has been the standout one. the others have been patchy, with by far the best of the bunch being smith in the last two/three months. the only one that agar recruited was aiton, so hats off to him there on player judgement as he's scored a 100% success rate there, as opposed to elston who's come good with smith and not so well with Collis (admit the fitness issue), Southern, Mellars and John to date.

i don't share jack in the box's view just yet that ellis has dramatically improved our side, i don't think he's had the game time to prove that at the moment.

Which is fine if they are been herded in the right direction.

I agree it is not negative to point out errors or talk about something a player did wrong. What I was picking up on was that some people ONLY look at the negative.

If Fox did some good things and some bad things then that is even not bad. If he is up against the best, and the other guy gets some good breaks and tries then of course hall in this case won that battle, but i don't think Fox had a bad game. He did a lot good and when he was put on the spot he did some things bad and some things not as well as Hall. (Not the same thing)

I'm not just looking at the positive either. I realise we have weaknesses under the high ball. BUT I do think our wingers do their best. And that deserves credit.

I thought ellis made good yards from dummy half,was eager for work, and distributed well.A lot of people have bagged agar i'm one, but what a difference a solid go forward pack made.Johnson and mariano had big games and they have struggled to get a regular slot which i think have frustated the faithful as they were ok last season.I hope he sticks with these guys, now let's kick on and have a solid run in without too much tinkering.

doing their best is a basic minimum requirement of anyone that plays sport at any level. not sure why that deserves credit as it's the default position.

That is so poor I'm not sure how to reply.

Doing your best in a sports context is not the same as trying hard.
Clearly at Wakefield we have watched players who have not given their best so it is not the norm.

Personally I give credit to anyone who pulls on the Wakefield jersey and gives their best.

That is so poor I'm not sure how to reply.

Doing your best in a sports context is not the same as trying hard.
Clearly at Wakefield we have watched players who have not given their best so it is not the norm.

Personally I give credit to anyone who pulls on the Wakefield jersey and gives their best.

these surely would make them the exceptions, and hence the rest, i.e. those giving their best, the norm.

it's not complicated.

Some times players don't play their best, happens in every game played, doesn't mean they weren't trying their best though att.

Probably because he's right and you're talking crud as normal. Have you ever defended against a winger as good as Hall, no thought not. Don't let the Leeds shirt fool you Ryan Hall is a big strong unit and the best winger in the SL - even the Aussies found him hard to play.

The pathetic reference to a turd in the trifle means I can only suggest one thing, sit down and give your brain a rest.