Mathers not been censored, so I wonder if he has the clubs unofficial blessing on this, I hope so

i think i agree with Betts re Mathers tbh and i think the issue with their pitch is being blown out of all proportion

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I'd agree about Cross. He was good but should have been better in discipline terms. It was hardly a big deal that he blew up about. There were plenty of high shots that went unpunished so a penalty there was not such a terrible thing.
I thought the whole Widnes pack were particularly big compared to us and in the first 10-20 really dominated and made a lot of yards as well as crunching in the tackle. Unfortunately I also thought Agar's game plan worked very well for this situation.
The likes of Southern and Washbrook tackled everything early on and even though we were being bashed about your guys didn't take advantage.
Once your guys ran out of steam without racking up the points it allowed us to take control.
You'll beat plenty of team sthis year once you get your half backs sorted.

Part of Cross's problem is having played for Leeds and then Wigan he is not used to getting decisions given against him.
Like it or not, the bigger teams tend to get the 50/50 calls and he better get his head round that or he'll spend a lot of time this season being penalised or binned.

Then why spend a whole Sky Sports interview doing so?

The lady doth protest too much.

betts can be summed up in j20's signature: This isn't a sleeping giant, it's a giant! Denis Betts Nov 2010.

what a chopper.

It's almost as if Scott Moore didn't actually saycut to ribbons'"

Sums up the game pretty well really that. Was impressed with our pack but didn't make enough of 'our time' whereas you bagged 4 unanswered tries in the last 20mins. First choice full back and stand off back should help though.

Too early to judge but I'd say at least 2 / 3 sides could well be below us both (alternative to most predictions).

Quote: djcool "Widnes new 1st team kit If this is trying to take the viewtopic.php?f=33&t=421878 it's failed, big time. Mathers is the one complaining about it so wouldn't he be the one wearing it? As far as mathers is concerned, posting them pictures on twitter is fine by me. Only as a statement to show the conditions he was playing in. However I do think he should give the I-pitch time. We got the game going in minus temperatures? It was never going to be pretty, just look at the Leeds and Salford games. Lots of cuts, scrapes and grazes. As far as I'm aware the I-pitch has to be watered on a consistent basis. I believe this was restricted on Friday as obviously the water would freeze on the surface. This left a frosty surface behind which took no prisoners. Agreed it was not ideal conditions for a superleague game but your all glad it went ahead aren't you?

Quote: djcool "Widnes new 1st team kit If this is trying to take the viewtopic.php?f=33&t=421878 it's failed, big time. Mathers is the one complaining about it so wouldn't he be the one wearing it? As far as mathers is concerned, posting them pictures on twitter is fine by me. Only as a statement to show the conditions he was playing in. However I do think he should give the I-pitch time. We got the game going in minus temperatures? It was never going to be pretty, just look at the Leeds and Salford games. Lots of cuts, scrapes and grazes. As far as I'm aware the I-pitch has to be watered on a consistent basis. I believe this was restricted on Friday as obviously the water would freeze on the surface. This left a frosty surface behind which took no prisoners. Agreed it was not ideal conditions for a superleague game but your all glad it went ahead aren't you?

Maybe they did get told to remove it. Maybe they just did themselves.

But eveb your own players since seeing posts after Salford vs Cas stopped going on about it being related to the pitch... Bar Mathers.

Could that be due to the amount of Widnes supporters being rather vile to him at any chance?
Is he not allowed to defend himself?

Just a thought.

Dennis Betts should keep his trap shut. His team got 'well beat' in the end, by a side who are probably gonna finish in the bottom 4 in SL. (sorry)
And also he should realise how LUCKY he is to be coaching a side in SL, no-one but Widnes would have given him such a job (he took the role, knowing they would be voted in), and he couldn't hack it in the championship. Back to 'kick & clap' for Betts when Widnes eventually sack him, it's only a matter of time.