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| Quote: trinfan71 "Why do we owe it to him?
Let's not forget we are talking about the same man who a couple of weeks before the franchise announcement went on public record stating he was interested in the Cas job, then when he finds out that we are safe goes on record again saying how much he loves being at Wakefield and wants a new contract. Yes he has gone through a lot in his tenure at Belle Vue, but that doesn't automatically give him a free pass. He said that we would be a better side in round 27 what a load of ballcocks.'"
3 points here:
1) Of course the man would be interested in the Cas job, he's got a family to provide for and wasn't sure of his future. Any man worth his salt would have done the same.
2) I don't remember him requesting a new contract, in fact I seem to remember him saying that his approach to coaching is that it is done in 5yr cycles, so he would be looking to move on anyway.
3) Ok he's made an error and some baffling selections of late, but for me his good work has far, far outweighed any errors that he is currently making, and to get rid of him early would be an insult to a man who has made a silk purse out of a pigs ear for the last 4 years prior to this season.
Like another poster has said, some people have short memories.
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| While JK achieved a fantastic amount on limited resources in his first 3 years, the last 2 have been stale to say the very least. In many ways he deserves the opportunity to go out "with his head held high" but I think there's two main reasons why he can't.
Firstly, he's made himself look foolish in relation to his contract. Forget whether he was or wasn't going to Catalans, he (IMO understandably) wanted to negotiate a new contract when we got the good news about the SL licence, but when AG & JE told him that he wouldn't get one he allowed a statement to be issued saying that "it has always been my belief that coaches in SL have a five year lifespan at an one club". If that was really what he believed then he shouldn't have asked for a new contract.
Secondly, it's blatantly obvious that he's lost the dressing room. While the first half against Crusaders wasn't exactly the highlight of the SL season, there was certainly enough coming out of the first half that a coach who had the respect of his players should have been able to get a far better performance out of them in the second half than what we actually saw.
The sensible thing for AG & JE to do (& I think they should have done it at least 3 weeks ago) is to ask JK to tend to his garden for the rest of the year and ask Tony Drury to step up for the rest of the season.
I've already resigned myself to the fact that this won't happen and that JK will expect a lap of "honour" after the Bradford game. If he hadn't held on in vain for so long I would say he probably deserved it at his last match - just that it should already have happened. I won't be at BV for the last match (it's a bit tricky to get from the office in London to BV on a Friday night) but IMO the only thing JK would deserve applause for is going straight from his box to the chaining rooms after the final hooter & never show his face on the BV pitch again while wearing a WT badge on his shirt.
Thanks for the good times John, but you've left them much too far behind.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "
1) Of course the man would be interested in the Cas job, he's got a family to provide for and wasn't sure of his future. Any man worth his salt would have done the same.
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Whilst I am all for Kear seeing out the season and will forever be thankful for what he has done for our club I don't think that publicly declaring his interest in the cas job, the week before the franchise decison was made, came across very well.
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| Quote: PHe "But how well did he play in the reserves? - Moore that is. I don't know, what if he was less than average, would you still be in favour of playing him? Didn't one of the Wire fans praise Hickey, should he play on Saturday, after all he is here next season.
How can any SL experience be damaging, what's damaging is the eager younger players watching the so called established players getting a tonking every week, with no sniff of 1st team action.
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Quote: TrinityIHC "3 points here
1. That is very true but his timing sucked and can the same be said when he was close to joining Catalan, or when he applied for the Bradford job.
2.Quote: TrinityIHC "Wakefield's escape from the Super League axe has left John Kear keen to extend his contract as coach. "I'd like to stay," he said. "It's a great club and now has the opportunity to progress."'" www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 26993.html
3. For you his good work might outweigh the current situation, but he has never beaten a super league club in the challenge cup. Not just this season but in seasons gone by he has made very strange selections. Last year it is true that he couldn't legislate for the Brough, Tronc and Newton episodes, but he did put all his eggs in one basket.
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Quote: TrinityIHC "3 points here
1. That is very true but his timing sucked and can the same be said when he was close to joining Catalan, or when he applied for the Bradford job.
2.Quote: TrinityIHC "Wakefield's escape from the Super League axe has left John Kear keen to extend his contract as coach. "I'd like to stay," he said. "It's a great club and now has the opportunity to progress."'" www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 26993.html
3. For you his good work might outweigh the current situation, but he has never beaten a super league club in the challenge cup. Not just this season but in seasons gone by he has made very strange selections. Last year it is true that he couldn't legislate for the Brough, Tronc and Newton episodes, but he did put all his eggs in one basket.
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| What's all the short memories... Sorry you must be much more of a fan than me?? Rose tinted glasses springs to mind. Yes he has done a good job but past is past. Be realistic we are trying to move forward so Kear out now, drury short term, announce new coach, announce season ticket deals, move forward.
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| Quote: trinfan71 "
3. For you his good work might outweigh the current situation, but he has never beaten a super league club in the challenge cup. Not just this season but in seasons gone by he has made very strange selections. Last year it is true that he couldn't legislate for the Brough, Tronc and Newton episodes, but he did put all his eggs in one basket.'"
Yeah because we were a real force in the Challenge Cup before Kear came along.
He took us from a team who regularly finished second bottom to a team in and around the play offs for 3 years. The cirumstances that have arisen during his time in charge, the death of players, financial meltdown, drug bans, would have seen many others heading to the hills long before now. I'm not disputing that it's time for him to go but I do think that only those with a very hard heart would want to see him forced out before the end of the season.
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| Simple facts are that the club comes before john kear, dont forget that.
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| Quote: StanTHEWildcat "Simple facts are that the club comes before john kear, dont forget that.'"
Very true but unless next years coach is ready to take over now what is the point in sticking someone in for the last 3 games?
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| Please, our squad is so bad we should not have won a single game. Kear got this team of rejects to win games and now it's back to form. Can't people wait just a few weeks to let him go in his own time.
Our squad is now made up of players who have signed contracts for other clubs, will not be in Super League next year, may no longer be playing at all and a few that are or want to stay. We are out of the play offs. We have zero form. The coach is going and the new one is not known.
With all that I can see no reason why any player should be up for these last games. I still think Kear is quality but I think this is beyond any man.
Before the start of the season we would have been happy just knowing we were still in Super League with a new owner who looks good. Can the boo boys just keep quite and wait for next season. We could have been playing Fev next year. Lets be positive. The good times are coming.
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| Quote: B V Bob "Please, our squad is so bad we should not have won a single game. Kear got this team of rejects to win games and now it's back to form. Can't people wait just a few weeks to let him go in his own time.
Our squad is now made up of players who have signed contracts for other clubs, will not be in Super League next year, may no longer be playing at all and a few that are or want to stay. We are out of the play offs. We have zero form. The coach is going and the new one is not known.
With all that I can see no reason why any player should be up for these last games. I still think Kear is quality but I think this is beyond any man.
Before the start of the season we would have been happy just knowing we were still in Super League with a new owner who looks good. Can the boo boys just keep quite and wait for next season. We could have been playing Fev next year. Lets be positive. The good times are coming.'"
I'd agree with some of that but I simply can not accept players going through the motions while some of their team mates put 100% in, it's alien to me, I cannot fathom that attitude!
Take a look at what's happening at Crusaders where the players are bound together by a personal and team pride and the common goal of rewarding their fans by going out on their shields.
As for JK, if he stubbornly refuses to accept that certain players need dropping and that some of the youngsters would benefit from the experience of three games at SL level then IMO. The decision should be taken out of his hands. I'm not saying we should publicly sideline him because I do believe he deserves more than that. He's not helping his cause by steadfastly refusing to acknowledge that for varying reasons some players are not performing and continually putting out variations of the same team that's getting humiliated week in week out.
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| Quote: J.T "Yeah because we were a real force in the Challenge Cup before Kear came along.
He took us from a team who regularly finished second bottom to a team in and around the play offs for 3 years. The cirumstances that have arisen during his time in charge, the death of players, financial meltdown, drug bans, would have seen many others heading to the hills long before now. I'm not disputing that it's time for him to go but I do think that only those with a very hard heart would want to see him forced out before the end of the season.'"
Whether we were a force or not is irrelevant, but that wouldn't matter would as Kear is such a cup king.
By virtue of many arguments Shane McNally should never have been sacked because of his previous achievements. Before that Andy Kelly should still be at the helm after all he got us where we are. You cannot live off past glories as harsh as that is it is an undisputed fact. Yes Kear has gone through a lot whilst coach of Wakefield.
We have a team that many play like that couldn't give a toss and a coach who isn't bothered.
If we were talking everyday work and employees couldn't be bothered they would be reprimanded and eventually shown the door, whether they are staff or management.
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| Quote: trinfan71 "Whether we were a force or not is irrelevant, but that wouldn't matter would as Kear is such a cup king.
By virtue of many arguments Shane McNally should never have been sacked because of his previous achievements. Before that Andy Kelly should still be at the helm after all he got us where we are. You cannot live off past glories as harsh as that is it is an undisputed fact. Yes Kear has gone through a lot whilst coach of Wakefield.
We have a team that many play like that couldn't give a toss and a coach who isn't bothered.
If we were talking everyday work and employees couldn't be bothered they would be reprimanded and eventually shown the door, whether they are staff or management.'"
Couldn't agree more
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| Quote: trinfan71 "
By virtue of many arguments Shane McNally should never have been sacked because of his previous achievements. Before that Andy Kelly should still be at the helm after all he got us where we are. You cannot live off past glories as harsh as that is it is an undisputed fact. Yes Kear has gone through a lot whilst coach of Wakefield.
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You can't but Andy Kelly was very badly treated and should never have been sacked and he don't think he would have been had the whole Pearman thing not happened. I also felt that McNally carried the can and it was the players that got him the sack they obviously didn't like him but he got the results in 2004.
Kear is going, it's 3 more games, we have a licence, we have a team that is woefully devoid of talent due to a financial meltdown at the start of the season, I really don't see what the argument/problem is.
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| Of the remaining games the Cas one is the one we as fans most want to win, plus we are on Sky so need to try and give a good account of ourselves. Therefore speaking personally, I want the team to be made up of players who are interested in playing for us and either have been doing their job in the 1st team or have patiently being waiting a chance by playing well in the reserves. These players should be picked in their correct positions and players hopelessly out of form (eg Tommy Lee) and thoses who have never shown any form (eg Jeremy Smith) should not be in the 17.
For some players there is no incentive to up their game cos Kear picks em anyway.
I still think the odds are against us because Sanctuary has conditioned the players all wrong and that aint gonna be rectified until he leaves and cant be sorted until the off-season either. Consequently, we have probably the worst squad in SL in terms of ability and have tied their hands behind their backs by not giving them an edge physically and not giving them a decent structure to work with.
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