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| Quote: Fully "If we want RL to grow, we HAVE to have successful sides outside of the heartlands. Fact.'"
But how do we get that? Bottom up or top down?
Fast tracking expansionism? I for one think that is wrong! And IMO will result in a poorly managed, poorly financed and poorly supported entity (Celtic/Fulham-London Broncos-Quins/PSG/Gateshead). The only example that has proved otherwise is Le Cats. And I think that has a lot more to do with it being marketed in this country as a "rugby league holiday", which is why when teams have to travel twice in one year fans (on the whole) stay home once (more often than not at the start of the year, when theres less chance of belting sun!). You couldn't market this ideal in Wales, London or any other GB location.
The only way to build success is to grow it, so you have healthy home fans and no reliance on travelling fans. Which in my view comes from a healthy and "reactive" junior and amateur following. This has to be built from the bottom up, not top down ala current RFL strategies.
Teams should start off from NL2 (with a healthy amount of RFL assistance) and be grown over generations not 3 year cycles. Generations passing on their love of the game comes from a healthy product; we must ensure the survival of our heart or the organism will die!! |
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| Quote: Fully "[sizeIf we want RL to grow, we HAVE to have successful sides outside of the heartlands. Fact.[/size
I think it would be petty if Wakefield fans choose to stay away, not just because they're not supporting their own team but also because (although the Wakefield game is unlikely to make a huge bit of difference in the grand scheme of things) we're all ambassadors for the great sport that is rugby league. That fact alone should drive us to want Crusaders, Quins, Catalans to become successful, get more people down there going and for that word to spread into other areas.
It is likely to indirectly affect Wakefield in the future, for example, successful expansion clubs
Sorry Fully but why is it fact, I don't agree. This is what the SL apologists say on the VT and I have never got on yet to say what these facts are.
The M62 corridor including Liverpool contains approx 16 million people. That is about the same as NSW and QLD combined. Yet no one thinks RL can't prosper in Oz. The entire population of wales is about a 5th of the M62 corridor and already has a form of Rugby and we pick the least populated part of it. So why so much effort for a bunch of sheep farmers?
Why when it includes two of the five biggest cities in the UK, has two ITV networks and two daily papers can RL not survive as a big fish in the north. Why do we need it, why can't we just be a big regional sport.
I simply don't buy this expansion rubbish. Nobody outside the M62 wants RL, that's the real fact. They have their own teams in their own sports and never asked for a SL team. This is because they don't care and they never will.
Make RL big where it's big, so big that regionally at least it can't be ignored. This alone will ensure our big events get national recognition. Stop pigging dreaming of a RL empire that will never be. Instead of trying to be America be Israel, there not big and flash but no one messes with them and everyone knows who they are.
I'm sick of this expansionist/franchise b*llocks, I just want to go back to supporting my team, just travelling the M62, France every now and then and maybe Wembley - London once in a lifetime - that I reckon is all 90% of fans have ever wanted IMHO.
Not that anyone ever bothered to ask them.
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| Quote: vastman "Sorry Fully but why is it fact, I don't agree. This is what the SL apologists say on the VT and I have never got on yet to say what these facts are.
The M62 corridor including Liverpool contains approx 16 million people. That is about the same as NSW and QLD combined. Yet no one thinks RL can't prosper in Oz. The entire population of wales is about a 5th of the M62 corridor and already has a form of Rugby and we pick the least populated part of it. So why so much effort for a bunch of sheep farmers?
Why when it includes two of the five biggest cities in the UK, has two ITV networks and two daily papers can RL not survive as a big fish in the north. Why do we need it, why can't we just be a big regional sport.
I simply don't buy this expansion rubbish. Nobody outside the M62 wants RL, that's the real fact. They have their own teams in their own sports and never asked for a SL team. This is because they don't care and they never will.
Make RL big where it's big, so big that regionally at least it can't be ignored. This alone will ensure our big events get national recognition. Stop pigging dreaming of a RL empire that will never be. Instead of trying to be America be Israel, there not big and flash but no one messes with them and everyone knows who they are.
I'm sick of this expansionist/franchise b*llocks, I just want to go back to supporting my team, just travelling the M62, France every now and then and maybe Wembley - London once in a lifetime - that I reckon is all 90% of fans have ever wanted IMHO.
Not that anyone ever bothered to ask them.'"
Strangely, Vastman, I agree with everything you've put in that post. I don't care if it's a national sport or not, I don't even care if it's shown live on TV, I too just want to follow my team whether good or bad. |
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That vastman is your best ever post
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Years ago I was all for expansion and preaching RL to the wider audience. Ask me how I feel about it now... I really couldn't give a toss! RL has always been concentrated along the M62 corridor and to be quite honest, I don't care if it stays that way.
I don't give 2 hoots if that London rabble think we're all flat caps and whippets. Let them carry on watching their boring kick and clap and leave us simple folk to enjoy our own game.
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| Quote: vastman "Sorry Fully but why is it fact, I don't agree. This is what the SL apologists say on the VT and I have never got on yet to say what these facts are.
The M62 corridor including Liverpool contains approx 16 million people. That is about the same as NSW and QLD combined. Yet no one thinks RL can't prosper in Oz. The entire population of wales is about a 5th of the M62 corridor and already has a form of Rugby and we pick the least populated part of it. So why so much effort for a bunch of sheep farmers?
Why when it includes two of the five biggest cities in the UK, has two ITV networks and two daily papers can RL not survive as a big fish in the north. Why do we need it, why can't we just be a big regional sport.
I simply don't buy this expansion rubbish. Nobody outside the M62 wants RL, that's the real fact. They have their own teams in their own sports and never asked for a SL team. This is because they don't care and they never will.
Make RL big where it's big, so big that regionally at least it can't be ignored. This alone will ensure our big events get national recognition. Stop pigging dreaming of a RL empire that will never be. Instead of trying to be America be Israel, there not big and flash but no one messes with them and everyone knows who they are.
I'm sick of this expansionist/franchise b*llocks, I just want to go back to supporting my team, just travelling the M62, France every now and then and maybe Wembley - London once in a lifetime - that I reckon is all 90% of fans have ever wanted IMHO.
Not that anyone ever bothered to ask them.'"
I would love to see you face to face with steveo and eddie and put that case across, you make very good points that has never been mentioned before with the tv pundits. There is a case of clubs further a field but will never be the super league team unless someone has loads of money to risk.
To put further points on here look at the local clubs that have been around
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Well said vastman, at last something we agree on!!!
Perfectly sums up the situation.
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| Quote: vastman "Sorry Fully but why is it fact, I don't agree. This is what the SL apologists say on the VT and I have never got on yet to say what these facts are.
The M62 corridor including Liverpool contains approx 16 million people. That is about the same as NSW and QLD combined. Yet no one thinks RL can't prosper in Oz. The entire population of wales is about a 5th of the M62 corridor and already has a form of Rugby and we pick the least populated part of it. So why so much effort for a bunch of sheep farmers?
Why when it includes two of the five biggest cities in the UK, has two ITV networks and two daily papers can RL not survive as a big fish in the north. Why do we need it, why can't we just be a big regional sport.
I simply don't buy this expansion rubbish. Nobody outside the M62 wants RL, that's the real fact. They have their own teams in their own sports and never asked for a SL team. This is because they don't care and they never will.
Make RL big where it's big, so big that regionally at least it can't be ignored. This alone will ensure our big events get national recognition. Stop pigging dreaming of a RL empire that will never be. Instead of trying to be America be Israel, there not big and flash but no one messes with them and everyone knows who they are.
I'm sick of this expansionist/franchise b*llocks, I just want to go back to supporting my team, just travelling the M62, France every now and then and maybe Wembley - London once in a lifetime - that I reckon is all 90% of fans have ever wanted IMHO.
Not that anyone ever bothered to ask them.'"
Good points Vastman. For anyone who has been to Australia you will know that RL is not a national sport, it is regionalised primarily in 2 states. I was there in November when the Four Nations final was on. I travelled from Sydney to Melbourne that day and live coverage of the final was shown on network tv in Sydney. I got into Melbourne, switched on Channel 7 and was greeted by "Hey, Hey it's Saturday!". The final was only shown at around 2am on Fox Sports (subscription TV owned by the Murdochs). Remember that Melbourne has the Storm and hosted one of the Four Nations matches in that tournament. Yet Victorians only care about Aussie Rules. Look what happened to the Perth and Adelaide teams.
Expansion has mixed success in Australia (where I suspect it is more financially successful). If expansion doesn't always work in Australia why are the RFL so bloody minded to think that it will work here!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Quote: vastman "Sorry Fully but why is it fact, I don't agree. This is what the SL apologists say on the VT and I have never got on yet to say what these facts are.
The M62 corridor including Liverpool contains approx 16 million people. That is about the same as NSW and QLD combined. Yet no one thinks RL can't prosper in Oz. The entire population of wales is about a 5th of the M62 corridor and already has a form of Rugby and we pick the least populated part of it. So why so much effort for a bunch of sheep farmers?
Why when it includes two of the five biggest cities in the UK, has two ITV networks and two daily papers can RL not survive as a big fish in the north. Why do we need it, why can't we just be a big regional sport.
I simply don't buy this expansion rubbish. Nobody outside the M62 wants RL, that's the real fact. They have their own teams in their own sports and never asked for a SL team. This is because they don't care and they never will.
Make RL big where it's big, so big that regionally at least it can't be ignored. This alone will ensure our big events get national recognition. Stop pigging dreaming of a RL empire that will never be. Instead of trying to be America be Israel, there not big and flash but no one messes with them and everyone knows who they are.
I'm sick of this expansionist/franchise b*llocks, I just want to go back to supporting my team, just travelling the M62, France every now and then and maybe Wembley - London once in a lifetime - that I reckon is all 90% of fans have ever wanted IMHO.
Not that anyone ever bothered to ask them.'"
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I predict another attendance thread to pop up about 8 o'clock Friday night when someone claims there are only 15 fans at the Crusaders game. The official attendance will be announced as 1,743 and then someone else will claim that is a joke as there are clearly well over 5,000 at the game.'"
You mean like when certain fans claim they took 3,000 fans to a game thats official attendance was only 1,823???  |
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ok, firstly, I suspect the '277' Salford fans at the hunsket game was in fact the number of season ticket holders who got in for free. I was on a coach of 10 salford fans who all paid cash and so I suspect we werent included in that. If you could have seen the staidum yesterday Id have said it was at least 50:50 if not....more salford fans than homes fans.
secondly, all this 'ive heard salford cant afford staidum' etc.....clutching at straws im afraid. We dont own it, so its not our finances that will be affected by a lack of tenants its the councils. We are getting the stadiums use at a cost 'less than the maintenance/upkeep of the Willows'.....and if we dont use the staidum (cos its too expensive) the council are left with an expensive, embrassing empty stadium on their hands.
PS - this isnt an attack on Wakey, I believe we should all stay up and it be 15/16 teams. I just hate how its made 'similar' clubs start attacking each other and sniping to try and make themselves feel better about their franchise chances
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| Quote: RED1 "ok, firstly, I suspect the '277' Salford fans at the hunsket game was in fact the number of season ticket holders who got in for free. I was on a coach of 10 salford fans who all paid cash and so I suspect we werent included in that. If you could have seen the staidum yesterday Id have said it was at least 50 We dont own it, so its not our finances that will be affected by a lack of tenants its the councils. We are getting the stadiums use at a cost 'less than the maintenance/upkeep of the Willows'.....and if we dont use the staidum (cos its too expensive) the council are left with an expensive, embrassing empty stadium on their hands.
PS - this isnt an attack on Wakey, I believe we should all stay up and it be 15/16 teams. I just hate how its made 'similar' clubs start attacking each other and sniping to try and make themselves feel better about their franchise chances'"
Agreed. Salford are a similar club to ours so I find it daft that a few fans feel the need to have a go. I don't even want you to leave The Willows, cracking little ground |
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