We are just not good enough and from what I hear regards recruitment then its unlikely to get any better next year. But a step in the right direction would be getting the players to put 100% effort in which right now they aren't doing. Sadly the only way to do this is to change the coach. He's lost the dressing room and you can't change 20-odd players but you can change a three man coaching team. Thanks for everthing JK but its time to go before our team dies a death and your coaching reputation is damaged beyond repair forever.

today was a do or die situation, we had to win and by plenty to give our selves a slight chance,

started of fine but then just threw it all away, we lacked a controller in the middle, BJ went awol again as we know he can and sam ran his nuts off as usual to try and compensate, if we had stuck cooke in the mix I doubt we had got much better but at least he could of done the kicking, not once did we seem to make them turn around to get the ball

bradford was woeful and we mad them look good

The recruitment may not be 'top drawer' but we can get only what we can get.

IMO we're not THAT far away anyway. The answers lie in getting everyone pulling in the same direction at the same time and playing as a team again. That a few changes would do me just fine!

And its my impression that some go overboard after one decent win and then put up with numerous heavy defeats on the trot with blind optimism that Kear will sort it out. I have been very vocal about Kear and the performances over the last few months, if the performances had improved I would have given some credit but they haven't (I would still want him out on the basis that he wanted to leave - but would have given credit where it was due).

If Cooke gets a new contract will you still believe Kear is the man for the job?

I would like some top drawer signings but as I said on another thread, I would settle for some players who will bring some heart and passion and basic RL skills wouls be an improvement on some of the shower we have playing at the moment.

An absolute must is a controlling half back.

I think the performances since Kear and the Catalans debacle say all that needs to be said about his influence over the dressing room. We should have been looking for a way to get rid - instead it appears we have let him sign up players for next season - meaning that even if we did ultimately decide to call time on his tenure, any new coach would be stuck with a squad they didn't choose and very little if any time/options to make changes. Madness.

The team needs new blood and while they don't have to be world-beaters they do have to be of the requisite quality to perform in superleague. I'm not convinced that some are but whether they make it is partly down to the coaching they receive. I don't feel our current set up have the modern techniques and technical knowhow to get the best out of our players week in week out.

I agree, the teamwork aspect just isn't there anymore. So it looks like motivation is also an issue now. We know we are getting a new captain. We need new leadership above him to bring fresh ideas and a change of direction because if we don't get 100% out of players that are of a lesser standard to other teams then next year could be very damaging.

we cannot sign anyone top drawer. we have NOTHING to offer new players.

one yr in sl before we are thrown out?

Not attractive.

The players are a total disgrace and should be ashamed to be paid considering ther rubbish performances this season. total bunch of waste of space money grabbers, and the jopke of a coach who defends the awful performances. time to get rid of everyone, and plan for Championship rugby in 2012..

We deserve that, and belong there in all reality

I didn't go knowing full well what would happen, think I predicted it about 4 weeks ago.

20 odd quid well saved by the sound of it.

I was a blind optomist and went. Wasted a precious afternoon and roughly 35 quid.

Very much doubt I shall be going to Salford, I have had enough of wasted money and time.

I would have to doubt his reasoning with that decision.

The rot has really set in now. As I mentioned last week, there was no way I could get any interest in going yesterday. I didn't even check the teletext for the score till after 8pm!
No surprise to see the headlines reporting a Bulls win, which says it all really.
Season ended at half past 5 last Sunday.
Roll on September for good news on the ground.

I wouldn't really say that problem is the players ability, yes we are lacking in some departments i.e a controlling half back to settle us down, but atm it is quite clear the player have given up long ago and are totally lost with regards to confidence.

I hope a nice pre season and some challenging friendlies help them to bond together again and imo, kear should stay, providing he sorts his head out in the off season, for me the alternatives to kear i.e poching who has been touted as the new coach, would be a silly choice. Expecting someone like Poching to come and sort all our problems out is absurd.

Also with regards to signings already roumoured for next season, Wheeldon, Penny, JJ Parker i am quite pleased with these so far, none of these signings are approaching the end of the career so it will bring some new enthusiasm.

Looking at the squad and the coaches over their careers and not just the this season i think we can sort ourselves out and enjoy a successful season next year.

Youi're wrong there Fordy, late on in the game a scrum was awarded and WT players ran to form the scrum. However only 5 of our players formed the 'pack' and so he didn't stop the clock!