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Quote: Fordy "Stadium issues aside, how is Cas's bid stronger than ours?'"


More money, higher attendances, more youth players going through into first team (for the club), higher average finish icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Gaslight "More money, higher attendances, more youth players going through into first team (for the club), higher average finish

In division 1 icon_lol.gif

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Quote: BIGAL1 "In division 1

Yes it just shows what pathetic crowds we get, when a small town who played in a league lower still managed to get a higher attendance than us.

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Quote: youngcat "Yes it just shows what pathetic crowds we get, when a small town who played in a league lower still managed to get a higher attendance than us.'"


Sorry i must have missed the attendance bit that i quoted icon_cool.gif

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Quote: Gaslight "More money, higher attendances, more youth players going through into first team (for the club), higher average finish

Then use some of it and get on with your building work

We'll see, we signed a lot up last year that haven't broken through this year but may do next (especially as we can't afford to sign anyone else, allegedly)

Bearing in mind that last decision was based on 3 previous seasons, we have 8th(200icon_cool.gif + 5th(2009) + 10th(2010) (or maybe 11th). That gives us an average of 8th (or slightly better if we finish 10th this year).
You have 12th(200icon_cool.gif + 8th(2009) + 8th(2010) (or maybe 9th if Crusaders can beat Hull KR). That gives you an average of just worse than 9th. How is that better???


Plus you have a disrepute charge and a fine for your homophobic fans that we don't have. You probably think that gives you an extra point too but I would think it probably works against you. eusa_whistle.gif eusa_whistle.gif

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Quote: Fordy "Then use some of it and get on with your building work

We'll see, we signed a lot up last year that haven't broken through this year but may do next (especially as we can't afford to sign anyone else, allegedly)

Bearing in mind that last decision was based on 3 previous seasons, we have 8th(200icon_cool.gif + 5th(2009) + 10th(2010) (or maybe 11th). That gives us an average of 8th (or slightly better if we finish 10th this year).
You have 12th(200icon_cool.gif + 8th(2009) + 8th(2010) (or maybe 9th if Crusaders can beat Hull KR). That gives you an average of just worse than 9th. How is that better???


Plus you have a disrepute charge and a fine for your homophobic fans that we don't have. You probably think that gives you an extra point too but I would think it probably works against you. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif Absolute classic a014.gif

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Quote: viking.gb " widnes have been shafted and shafted time and time again,Well if thats the way the rugby league want to play it i say share the shafting and it might just be ur turn but only because u have given the the go ahead to do so.Half every 1 on here is crying now for promotion and relegation but most wernt when u got in was u why now lol?'"


There are some problems with your argument, and principally the view that "we got in". We didn't "get in". We were already in, on playing merit. You were already out, on playing merit. No shafting involved for Widnes.

The issue is being looked at again now because we are three years further in and so we are able to make an assessment of it. It is making the game dull for the last third of the season from 10th spot down, and as I understand it, the Championship is going less well, because the big prize has gone.

In terms of the future, one of two things will happen: the top flight will become a sealed closed shop, with no one ever going out, or it won't, and there will be a one-club rotation every three years. In the first scenario, the Championship dies. The second scenario is just as bad, because that it means we have promotion and relegation, but by committee, and the Widnes argument appears to be that the committee-decisions reached so far have shafted one particular club, so why is that to be applauded.

Yes, franchising puts us at risk, but relegation doesn't exactly leave us safe either, because we could be gone by the end of 2011 if it was brought back for next year.

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Quote: Fordy "Bearing in mind that last decision was based on 3 previous seasons, we have 8th(200icon_cool.gif + 5th(2009) + 10th(2010) (or maybe 11th). That gives us an average of 8th (or slightly better if we finish 10th this year).
You have 12th(200icon_cool.gif + 8th(2009) + 8th(2010) (or maybe 9th if Crusaders can beat Hull KR). That gives you an average of just worse than 9th. How is that better???
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Because it's not based over past three years but 09/10. We finished SEVENTH last year, not eighth and are on course to finish 8th this year. 7+8 = 7.5. You're currently 10th but could finish 11th. A 10th place finish puts us equal. An eleventh place finish puts us better. However, if we finish in the play-offs twice that should look better than one play-off finish icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Fully "Because it's not based over past three years but 09/10. We finished SEVENTH last year, not eighth and are on course to finish 8th this year. 7+8

7th or 8th eusa_sick.gif if you can't do better than that why bother icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Fully "Because it's not based over past three years but 09/10. We finished SEVENTH last year, not eighth and are on course to finish 8th this year. 7+8

Show us a link to say where the RFL have stated that is the criteria please.

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In this morning's RLE the quote the odds from William Hill as:
Castleford 1/1
Wakefield 6/5
Salford 8/1
Quins 25/1
Crusader 25/1

If Sky are as powerful as we think they will want to keep Quins and the welsh concern in. Salford are a bit further on with their stadium AND SL/Sky will want to keep a Manchester team in. So it's a two horse race unless Quins can turn things around.

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Quote: Mr Bliss "In this morning's RLE the quote the odds from William Hill as

Oh goody - someone can make money by betting on the unfortunate outcome for 1 club! icon_confused.gif

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Quote: deeHell "Show us a link to say where the RFL have stated that is the criteria please.'"


The trouble is, no criteria has been released. However, the old 'criteria' is no longer being used and obviously the criteria for performance will based over the last licence period, not prior to it.

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Quote: captaincaveman "had the franchise system worked the way it was supposed to ie. if over the three year period a consistently strong team in the championship were to appear and a consistently poor team in superleague, then it would be reasonable to switch the two.

however in reality what we have been left with is two competitions that are utterly pointless.

superleague may as well be reduced to 6 teams as no one outside that is going to win it.
as for the rest of SL they could be relegated regardless of where they finish.

and as for the championship, what is the point of even carrying on with it? again its a worthless competition.

once again a good idea poorly executed by the rfl.

rugby league is quickly becoming a circus instead of a sport'"


Rugby League became a circus the moment they put Catalans in and said they could not be relegated for three years. Could you imagine the FA doing that? I think not! Crusaders come up, then shift there location, they have three premium coaches, and survive on gates circa 2000, where does their revenue come from? How do clubs like Quins, and Crusaders manage to be exempt from the rules everyone else plays by with regards to overseas players? The RFL says they can! The whole sport is becoming laughing stock! When will the RFL realise this is a NORTHERN game, the good people of Wales and London are not really bothered and it is high time the RFl stop bending the rules for them, and make Super League and equal competition!

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Quote: youngcat "Yes it just shows what pathetic crowds we get, when a small town who played in a league lower still managed to get a higher attendance than us.'"


Absolutely shocking. icon_rolleyes.gif

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