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| Quote: newgroundb4cas "Whats funny
If Mr Box gets his way, it will be thought of as a museum piece, a piece of Wakefield's past.
And there's no point in those people who say that it is all the club's fault, because I'm not sure any of the shiny new grounds were built by the clubs themselves. They were all built by the councils, with the clubs as mere tenants.
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It is "Fifita" not "Fafita"
If you don't know the difference between "there", "their" and "they're" I might get annoyed.
Sharing First World problems so you can get it right first time.
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| To add some balance to the negative response by many on here to JD's interview. I am a fan of 26 years, love the club to death, have shares in the club - not as an investment but as a way to help the club.
I am also wary of the current economic climate, the change in recent politics which has led to many cut backs on a national scale. I am also able to remember many years of knock backs on stadia, who remembers the Pugneys venture with Yorkshire CC?
If a ground share is what is required then I have no problem with that since I see it as a long term benefit for the club. Okay, so people out of their sentiment will not go. Of those that don't go I think a number will come round to the idea over time. We will not lose all the fans who threaten to leave. Further, a more appealing venue for facilities and comfort will bring in new support and more travelling fans = more revenue for the club = increased chance of developing a more successful team = more fans and so on.
Our current stadia is dated and poor.
I agree that sometimes the RL in my view are misguided in the way they want to develop the game. Grassroots are the heart and soul of the game and should not be lost. How the RL can justify Salford, Quins or Crusaders greater franchise worthiness with such low crowds and uncompetitive performance is beyond me. Further Quins and Crusaders have less heritage in player development.
I've been to Australia many times and when you look at the teams who play such as at the Olympic stadium (Bulldogs, Rabbitohs), St George-Illawara etc you see that many dedicated fans are prepared to travel a not too far a distance to see their team. I for one travelled over 50 miles yesterday (one way) to get to Cas (since I live in East Yorkshire). I am prepared to travel where ever I can manage to see my team. I support Wakefield Trinity where ever and when ever.
I support JD's comments. In the current climate it is the most viable and practical option. The RL have set some tough criteria, which although I disagree with, meeting the criteria will (in my view) help the club grow.
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| Quote: upthecats "Quite shocked at some of Jason's answers there to be honest...
Saying that people at the club have known for months and months which way Box and the council were heading to...
Saying people are in 'dreamland' if they thought 2 stadiums could be delivered, a kick in the teeth for all those who are working so hard on Newmarket I'd have thought...
And to say he'd have to question fans love for the game if they wouldn't support Wakefield wherever the council says we are to play?
How can our current captain, club stalwart and legend in many people's eyes be so far out of touch with the views of the clubs fans?
Sorry Jason, you're so wrong on this one it's untrue!'"
Not sure I agree there.
He doesn't say he doesn't support Newmarket, just that 2 grounds is too much.
And I'd agree with the fans love bit too. I want Newmarket to succeed but I'll be watching Wakefield while ever there is a Wakefield.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "All we can hope for is that this is just one last throw of the desperate dice by Mr Box, and if the feasibility study backs Newmarket, then he will throw his weight behind it. What worries me is the remit of any feasibility study, as the outcome can be determined by the question it is supposed to answer. If the remit is simply which can be built quickest, ignoring any funding issues, then Glasshoughton wins. If the remit is which one is most likely to be built first by taking into account funding, as well as job creation for the Wakefield district, then Newmarket wins.
The worry I have is that the outcome can be influenced simply by asking the study to answer a specific question. The issue will then be what the Community Trust then do, because if the study backs Glasshoughton and Yorkcourt and the Community Trust tell Box to stick it, then I assume neither get built.'"
Unfortunately I think Box will take a leaf out of Brian Clough's book, ie.
Quote: Slugger McBatt "[iIf I had an argument with a player we would sit down for twenty minutes, talk about it and then decide I was right![/i'"
I fear the findings of the feasability study are already known and it has'nt even been done yet.
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51886_1289658997.jpg [b:x70mwo3o]my girlfriend says i'm immature, and it's time we set aside one day a week so we can talk things through as adults.
like THAT'S gonna happen in the middle of conker season!![/b:x70mwo3o]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_51886.jpg |
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| Why all the animosity towards Box , when its been Rod Walker who has been chasing a groundshare since Newmarket was announced, admittedly he only wanted to be at GH till yours was ready (if you can believe him)
I dont recall him leaving Wakey in a strong financial position last time he was involved with you , but he didnt do too bad for himself ...................... just be a bit wary of the worm
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| Quote: newgroundb4cas "Whats funny
One simple answer, VOTE THEM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try living outside of Wakefield or Cas, ask the people of Pontefract, Featherstone and Knottingley how much investment they get. Compared to Wakefield and Cas nothing yet the council tax is still collected.
Should they be giving land when all the SL money has been frittered away, on what only him upstairs knows.?
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| Quote: wildshot "snip.'"
Good, well reasoned post. It's unpalatable but we have to adapt or we're doomed.
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| Quote: ambernotyeller "Why all the animosity towards Box , when its been Rod Walker who has been chasing a groundshare since Newmarket was announced, admittedly he only wanted to be at GH till yours was ready (if you can believe him)
I dont recall him leaving Wakey in a strong financial position last time he was involved with you , but he didnt do too bad for himself ...................... just be a bit wary of the worm'"
What a rediculous statement to make. You obviously know nothing about the guy or Wakefield at the time.
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| Quote: newwildcat "Good, well reasoned post. It's unpalatable but we have to adapt or we're doomed.'"
It's unpalatable but something we're going to have to get used to in the short-term at least. There may be a case two years, five years, ten years down the line when both clubs do not have to share and have a stadium each.
But for me, I want both Castleford AND Wakefield to prosper and show some of these cocky fans from Saints, Leeds, Wigan and Warrington that our clubs are sleeping giants and that you don't need to have a big money owner to succeed. Having a brand spanking new stadium will develop areas of the club that were financially weak, such as commercially.
I want to see a SL team in a SL stadium. Pettyness towards neighbours or location is not what's needed; it's solidarity between both clubs - we shouldn't be fighting, we should be uniting against those above us.
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| Quote: Fully "It's unpalatable but something we're going to have to get used to in the short-term at least. There may be a case two years, five years, ten years down the line when both clubs do not have to share and have a stadium each.
But for me, I want both Castleford AND Wakefield to prosper and show some of these cocky fans from Saints, Leeds, Wigan and Warrington that our clubs are sleeping giants and that you don't need to have a big money owner to succeed. Having a brand spanking new stadium will develop areas of the club that were financially weak, such as commercially.
I want to see a SL team in a SL stadium. Pettyness towards neighbours or location is not what's needed; it's solidarity between both clubs - we shouldn't be fighted, we should be uniting against those above us.'"
Whilst agreeing with your sentiment, you wouldn’t be saying the same if it meant Cas playing at Newmarket.
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "Whilst agreeing with your sentiment, you wouldn’t be saying the same if it meant Cas playing at Newmarket.'"
Actually, I would.
As I've said on a few threads the last few days, I might be in a petty mood now stating that I would never go but in all reality, Cas are in my blood and I'd watch them anywhere and everywhere if I could.
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51886_1289658997.jpg [b:x70mwo3o]my girlfriend says i'm immature, and it's time we set aside one day a week so we can talk things through as adults.
like THAT'S gonna happen in the middle of conker season!![/b:x70mwo3o]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_51886.jpg |
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| Quote: PopTart "What a rediculous statement to make. You obviously know nothing about the guy or Wakefield at the time.'"
Enlighten us as what the worm has ever done to benefit your club...................... not to line his own pocket
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| Quote: The Clan "I fear the findings of the feasability study are already known and it has'nt even been done yet.'"
Spot on; the feasibility study will say whatever Box wants it to say - in this case, to rubber stamp the fait accomplis of both clubs at GH.
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| Peter Box will only do what benefits himself, he has no concern over what happens to Wakefield Trinity.
As for JD I was told yesterday what he had said and didn't believe it until I had heard it myself. It is very easy for him to say such things, he can walk away at the end of the season and doesn't have to live with the decisions made.
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| Quote: wildshot "To add some balance to the negative response by many on here to JD's interview. I am a fan of 26 years, love the club to death, have shares in the club - not as an investment but as a way to help the club.
I am also wary of the current economic climate, the change in recent politics which has led to many cut backs on a national scale. I am also able to remember many years of knock backs on stadia, who remembers the Pugneys venture with Yorkshire CC?
If a ground share is what is required then I have no problem with that since I see it as a long term benefit for the club. Okay, so people out of their sentiment will not go. Of those that don't go I think a number will come round to the idea over time. We will not lose all the fans who threaten to leave. Further, a more appealing venue for facilities and comfort will bring in new support and more travelling fans
I appreciate a lot of what you say there but for me it's about having a home you can identify with and feel at home.
I personally would never, ever get that feeling following Wakefield at Glasshoughton. Also going there would end any possibility of ever building our own stadium in Wakefield I would imagine.
I don't think I would have a problem following at Barnsley if I knew that while I was following there our own stadium was being built in Wakefield.
I've followed Wakey for over 20 years, maybe not as much as I would have liked home and away in recent years due to other commitments, but I did the hard times going to the likes of Whitehaven, Carlisle, Workington etc... and hardly missed a game for years and years, seeing plenty of bad times along the way. I always thoroughly enjoyed it though even if we did have some truly awful times. My hunger and passion was always there for my home town club though and that's the important bit....'home town club'
I now live out of Wakefield in Dewsbury but have no trouble at all travelling to 'home' games. Take that away from Wakefield permanently though and I'm sorry but that would be me done. I would probably walk the ten minutes up the road from home and watch Dewsbury.
I find it disrespectful of Jason to question fans love of the game for not wanting to travel out of Wakefield to watch OUR 'home' team.
I know plenty of people who have followed Wakefield for as long and longer than me and with more passion who feel the same way. You only have to look at the poll I started on Glasshoughton and take notice of some of the posters who have voted 'no' to realise the strength of opposition to something that our club captain questions the fans over...
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