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Quote: The Clan "at this moment in time, for this 4Ns,
Absolutely!

Brough has a far superior game than Myler
control and dictation of the match
short kicking game
long kicking game
goal kicking
passing game
defence
speed on a par

but most of all the three things that Danny has over any of the half backs in the squad are

Personally would have loved to see Brough and Tomkins have a run out together think there style would complement each other nicely, its a real odd choice to chuck Myler in there for me, he has been average for much of this year, his defence is questionable and he is not a form player.

Smith has not helped himself with some of his selections regards the bias claims in my opinion.

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "I've some sympathy with your view, but I think I agree with kentcat. How can Scotland, for example, build anything if their squad one year jumps ship the next just because the players fancy the brighter lights. Look at Carvell. He has played for Wales, and so playing for England he not only weakens the Welsh side, but he denies the chance for an England youngster.

I would like to see players decide on their international side early on and then be made to stick with it. Look at the farce down under, where half the New Zealand tri-nations winning side were playing for other countries in the World Cup. At least Great Britain was always a composite side.

FWIW, I would prefer to see GB back anyway. Give me a GB-Aus test series over any other international rugby league idea.'"


Oh I agree, I don't want players to be jumping ship left right and centre, However. . .

The RFL changed the rules by disbanding GB, they removed any chance of Brough etc ever playing against the best in the world. They did so in the full knoweledge that Brough and many others had only opted to play for the other nationalities because it offered them an international platform from which to put a case for GB selection. after decades of scewed selection policies which favoured the top four clubs who can blame those players for seeking another way in.

It suited the RFL to let these players opt for a Celtic nation as it strengthened those nations at a time when the RFL were seeking some credibility in Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

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Quote: RebelRebel "Doesn't DB have to sit out a year before he can be considered for selection for England? Not sure if the year is up yet (although it must be close), which might also explain the omission.'"


My point was how Ben Harrison and Chris Bridge can then play for Ireland in last years World Cup and instantly get picked for England whereas Danny Brough played in the exact tournament and doesn't qualify?

What about Jarryd Hayne - Fiji + Fuifui Moimoi - Tonga????

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Quote: RebelRebel "Doesn't DB have to sit out a year before he can be considered for selection for England? Not sure if the year is up yet (although it must be close), which might also explain the omission.'"


At the start of a World Cup cycle I think a player can declare there intent to represent whichever nation they qualify for and the "gardening leave" period usually 2 years I think is not enforced.

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Quote: Green Greedo "My point was how Ben Harrison and Chris Bridge can then play for Ireland in last years World Cup and instantly get picked for England whereas Danny Brough played in the exact tournament and doesn't qualify?

What about Jarryd Hayne - Fiji + Fuifui Moimoi - Tonga????'"



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Quote: t-r-i-n-i-t-y "How many in the ACTUAL squad shouldn't be there and who should be there instead?

I have a feeling he'll go for Tomkins and McGuire anyway.'"

hendo, well done hendo!!!!

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Quote: jonh "Personally would have loved to see Brough and Tomkins have a run out together think there style would complement each other nicely, its a real odd choice to chuck Myler in there for me, he has been average for much of this year, his defence is questionable and he is not a form player.

Smith has not helped himself with some of his selections regards the bias claims in my opinion.'"


I will be angry if Myler makes it into the Four Nations starting 17. He has done nothing to justify a start, and Eastmond and Burrows should take priority, and if he does get a start, we are back to club coaches preferring their own players. Noble did the same with Harris when he brought him back into League, used the national side as a training ground for his club side.

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "I will be angry if Myler makes it into the Four Nations starting 17. He has done nothing to justify a start, and Eastmond and Burrows should take priority, and if he does get a start, we are back to club coaches preferring their own players. Noble did the same with Harris when he brought him back into League, used the national side as a training ground for his club side.'"

He has been named against France
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Quote: Slugger McBatt "I will be angry if Myler makes it into the Four Nations starting 17. He has done nothing to justify a start, and Eastmond and Burrows should take priority, and if he does get a start, we are back to club coaches preferring their own players. Noble did the same with Harris when he brought him back into League, used the national side as a training ground for his club side.'"

He has been named against France
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What is Westwood doing on the bench? Myler starting? I think it's time for a change of coach if he can't see past his club colours

Infact, i think even Tony Smith has no confidence in Myler if he is including Eastmond on the bench coupled with Roby! Why not put up the white flags now!

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Quote: Trinity Till Death "What is Westwood doing on the bench? Myler starting? I think it's time for a change of coach if he can't see past his club colours

Infact, i think even Tony Smith has no confidence in Myler if he is including Eastmond on the bench coupled with Roby! Why not put up the white flags now!'"


I actually rate Westwood, as a rough tough secondrow, his hands let him down from time to time but he offers a physical approach that no other secondrower does enjoys mixing it adds some mongrel to the pack.

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Quote: jonh "I actually rate Westwood, as a rough tough secondrow, his hands let him down from time to time but he offers a physical approach that no other secondrower does enjoys mixing it adds some mongrel to the pack.'"


I agree, i'm not saying i dislike Westwood but if your going to have Roby and Eastmond on your bench and Morley at prop then i really do think you need to go with two prop forwards. It just seems a very strange bench

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Quote: Trinity Till Death "I agree, i'm not saying i dislike Westwood but if your going to have Roby and Eastmond on your bench and Morley at prop then i really do think you need to go with two prop forwards. It just seems a very strange bench'"


It seems a very strange team! Not selecting Tomkins is a joke, England jumpers should be earned not given away. Myler has not earned his jumper regardless of the opposition, and should not be playing, he should not even be in the squad, his selection along with that of Lee Smith is a joke.

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Quote: jonh "It seems a very strange team! Not selecting Tomkins is a joke, England jumpers should be earned not given away. Myler has not earned his jumper regardless of the opposition, and should not be playing, he should not even be in the squad, his selection along with that of Lee Smith is a joke.'"
I should think the reason for leaving sam out is to save him for the new zealanders and aussies, as for smith quality player going to union no reason to cut the cord yet,
would we not pick a quality RU player if he came the other way to league, so how I don't think the 4 nations is going to get good viewings icon_sad.gif

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Quote: snowie "I should think the reason for leaving sam out is to save him for the new zealanders and aussies, as for smith quality player going to union no reason to cut the cord yet,
would we not pick a quality RU player if he came the other way to league, so how I don't think the 4 nations is going to get good viewings
I hope you are right regarding Tomkins but think you may be wrong, this game should be where we build and form relationships, it should not be a trial game like Wales.

Smith in my opinion should not be rewarded with an international cap for a sport he is turning his back on, Hunt is not in the Aussie squad.

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Quote: jonh "I hope you are right regarding Tomkins but think you may be wrong, this game should be where we build and form relationships, it should not be a trial game like Wales.

Smith in my opinion should not be rewarded with an international cap for a sport he is turning his back on, Hunt is not in the Aussie squad.'"
the aussies have more to select from and greed is now the norm they just go where the money is,

I posed a question to my lad the other week, if he was to go professional would he play for Wakefield or Keighley as we know Barry Eaton and he chose to play for Barry as he enjoyed being trained by him, that did surprise me for a second but then goes to show how a player can respect a coach and the influence they can have on them, while coaches come and go players then have to renew relationships with their new coaches and don't see eye to eye,
doesn't take long for them to move on then money is the big factor, I don't hold nowt against Lee for moving on let him have a reminder how good the game is in league

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