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I keep scratching my head with regard to our performances, I just don't get it. How can a back line that scored points for fun last season suddenly dry up, how can a pack that matched it with the best of them last season not stamp any authority on a game.
I probably agree about bringing players on who can hopefully make a change to our play, but do we have them in numbers and can we play 3 4 or five all at once.
For me we need to look at a few areas. Full back, centre, scrum half and second row/ loose.
we bulid a squadbased on players who could adapt to certain positions. wood for me could be tried out at scrum half.
Its time to make a few changes and start to trust in our youth if it can be done all in the next few games remains to be seen.

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It was clear as day for me yesterday that we missed Grix, purely down to experience. Hampshire's positional play wasn't great and it's understandable when there's no consistency to where you've been played.

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Quote: lampyboy "How can a back line that scored points for fun last season suddenly dry up, how can a pack that matched it with the best of them last season not stamp any authority on a game.'"


The first part of that question is probably fairly easy to answer - we achieved that by a fairly simple strategy, which has now been found out and is quite easy to defend against.

The second part is more puzzling; we have potentially the biggest pack in SL, but several of them are making little to no impact - Huby looks largely ineffectual, and as much as I want Hirst to succeed, he doesn't seem to be progressing much; Fifita and England are good though - they always make an impact when they come on. I expect someone will post stats to make a liar of me - but I just go on what I see.

The other thing that was noticeable yesterday was the movement around the ball - you expect this from really well-drilled sides like Saints and Wigan, and Cas of last year - but even Shudds managed to have bodies in motion yesterday and people making themselves available as a threat; we look distinctly pedestrian in attack by comparison.

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Quote: bren2k "The first part of that question is probably fairly easy to answer - we achieved that by a fairly simple strategy, which has now been found out and is quite easy to defend against.

The second part is more puzzling; we have potentially the biggest pack in SL, but several of them are making little to no impact - Huby looks largely ineffectual, and as much as I want Hirst to succeed, he doesn't seem to be progressing much; Fifita and England are good though - they always make an impact when they come on. I expect someone will post stats to make a liar of me - but I just go on what I see.

The other thing that was noticeable yesterday was the movement around the ball - you expect this from really well-drilled sides like Saints and Wigan, and Cas of last year - but even Shudds managed to have bodies in motion yesterday and people making themselves available as a threat; we look distinctly pedestrian in attack by comparison.'"



Huby ineffectual? Really? I think he has been our best forward so far this season along with DF.

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Quote: homme vaste "Huby ineffectual? Really? I think he has been our best forward so far this season along with DF.'"


I'll be honest, as I'm probably the biggest Wakefield fan on here it'll come as a shock to hear that I cheered when Murphy absolutely cleaned Huby out haha icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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I could be wrong - I don't pore over stats - but from what I can see, his much lauded offload game hasn't really happened, and he is fairly easily put down.

It's not a hill I'm prepared to die on - I just don't see him have that much impact on a game.

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In answer to the OP. I pretty much agree there on everything.

I said in another post I think the time has come for some big decisions.

We are sliding towards the middle 8s at the moment, and sometimes you live and die by the sword.

Time to play the likes of Jowitt, Hampshire and Batchelor in their favoured positions, and possibly recall for players out on loan.

Doing this not only gives injured players chance to get fixed, it will give the younger players the confidence in knowing theyre getting a run in the side. On top of this, it will provide competition in the squad which is healthy. It may give some of the senior players something to think about, knowing theres someone else, younger, fitter and hungrier after their shirt if they lose form.

These kids are good enough.

What have we got to lose

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We have our place in super league to lose, which will ultimately lead to the demise of this great club as we know it.
I’d drop Finn as he’s playing on one leg at the moment but keep the rest of the senior guys and make them earn their coin.
I don’t think now is the time to be chopping and changing we need consistency and you won’t get that by continually moving players around.
Our first team players are more than capable of getting this great club out of this situation, they just need to be singing from the same hymn sheet and working as a team, not as individuals.

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Dont get me wrong Kettycat, there is a lot at stake, bit the older heads just arent doing it, and really havent been for a number of weeks, but were on a downward spiral at the moment, and there are younger, fitter and eager players sitting in the stands.

I dont think it should be wholesale changes, bit there is more than just Finny at the moment that is under achieving

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Can't recall who. but a Trinity player when asked at the beginning of the season what they would miss the most regarding Kear leaving, the answer was his "inspirational speeches". Maybe a slight clue to our under-performances?

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Quote: Eastern Wildcat "Dont get me wrong Kettycat, there is a lot at stake, bit the older heads just arent doing it, and really havent been for a number of weeks, but were on a downward spiral at the moment, and there are younger, fitter and eager players sitting in the stands.

I dont think it should be wholesale changes, bit there is more than just Finny at the moment that is under achieving'"


The older heads have been playing well below what we expected of them your right . I would love nothing more than to drop the worst offenders and give youth a chance, lads that are proud to pull our famous shirt on. To me it’s just we don’t have many games left to experiment with and get us to safety of the top 8,and so I say give these so called first teamers a right blasting and get their sorry butts on the park and give us performances to be proud of .
Both Chester and the club are going through challenging times I just hope we can pull a few tricks out of the bag once more for all our sakes

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I'm not in the Chester out camp, but I do think he needs to get some consistency.
If I were a young lad in the Wakefield set up I would be looking at the likes of how Johnstone, Batchelor, Crowther and Jowitt have been treated and be thinking 'Is this how Wakefield progress youth'
If things go wrong it seems the youngsters are blamed and dropped.
I'm a coach from the terraces so I will bow to the more experienced but that certainly how it looks!

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Quote: Trinity1315 "I'm not in the Chester out camp, but I do think he needs to get some consistency.
If I were a young lad in the Wakefield set up I would be looking at the likes of how Johnstone, Batchelor, Crowther and Jowitt have been treated and be thinking 'Is this how Wakefield progress youth'
If things go wrong it seems the youngsters are blamed and dropped.
I'm a coach from the terraces so I will bow to the more experienced but that certainly how it looks!'"

I remember a lad who played at loose in 4 pre season games getting 2 MOM plaudits from the League Express and recently played the last 2 games on loan at his preferred loose position,scoring and getting big wraps from their coach, can’t quite remember his name just now eusa_think.gif

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Couldnt agree more BLM

Thats way I'm be recalling him from his loan.

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Chatting to Halifax player Monday morning, talking about current form , magic etc, he was full of praise for crowther and was supprised he’s out on loan, which speaks loads for the lad if he’s playing that well in a struggling championship side ,,,

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